Mut Rogue Mastery

[Infernix]

I've done some reading and searching and I can't find anything on this.

Basically, is there an upper limit to how much Mastery we should be getting? Or is it just 'the more, the better?'

[warstry]

An ideal number SEEMS to be 105%, and then you start stacking crit. I have nothing to back that up, rather just an assumed value based on what I've observed. Iirc, I'm at around 107% mastery with 36% crit and crit is a full dps point per stat ahead of mastery at the moment. Your best bet is always to run a stat scaling sim

[Zyrox]

ough starting to gear up but got 119% mastery and 20% crit need to get better drops to start adjusting my gear tho xd am 839 ilvl

[Master Guns]

I'm 854 ilvl, 39% crit, 133% mastery, 1% verse, and I do around 325k Dps st on bosses.

[Deleted]

Well, for EP/AP (which is what you are using i assume) you want to make sure you have a decently large amount of crit (~40%) then you want to be stacking mastery, there is basically no limit for mastery at that point.

[Infernix]

Well, for EP/AP (which is what you are using i assume) you want to make sure you have a decently large amount of crit (~40%) then you want to be stacking mastery, there is basically no limit for mastery at that point.

Yes, you're right, I'm going a poison build. I'm at 140% mastery and 30% crit. I figured I needed more Crit, obviously, but wasn't sure what the right balance was.

[Deleted]

Yes, you're right, I'm going a poison build. I'm at 140% mastery and 30% crit. I figured I needed more Crit, obviously, but wasn't sure what the right balance was.

Ideally, aim for 44% crit to have 50% crit on mutilate (6% with artefact talents), So you can build 3/4 combo with 1 mut most of the time and be able to envenom with just one mut to maintain EP. Then just stack mastery.

[Master Guns]

Ideally, aim for 44% crit to have 50% crit on mutilate (6% with artefact talents), So you can build 3/4 combo with 1 mut most of the time and be able to envenom with just one mut to maintain EP. Then just stack mastery.

Is that feelcraft or math?

[Deleted]

Ideally, aim for 44% crit to have 50% crit on mutilate (6% with artefact talents), So you can build 3/4 combo with 1 mut most of the time and be able to envenom with just one mut to maintain EP. Then just stack mastery.

I'm a relatively new rogue and have been playing Subtlety so far, but I kinda feel like switching to Assa. Anyway, I'm sitting on a ton of Versa (17%), 100% mastery and just 25% crit. Can I go AP EP or what sort of Assa would I have to play till I have higher crit?

[Deleted]

I'm a relatively new rogue and have been playing Subtlety so far, but I kinda feel like switching to Assa. Anyway, I'm sitting on a ton of Versa (17%), 100% mastery and just 25% crit. Can I go AP EP or what sort of Assa would I have to play till I have higher crit?

Sim yourself and see what deals more damage. With that much Vers, I would imagine, Exsg is stronger. Either way, your crit is quite low for both builds.

[skindown]

Is that feelcraft or math?

50% crit on Mutilate gives an average ~70% chance to get to 6 CPs after casting two Mutilates

The bigger your EP uptime, the better, but once you get a huge EP uptime with efficient Envenoms, you take out an even bigger damage from EP, that's why it favors crit that much

The "50% mut crit" is like a "checkpoint" to keep an eye for the other secondary stats, since stacking more than that will be hard

[ymirsson]

The "50% mut crit" is like a "checkpoint" to keep an eye for the other secondary stats, since stacking more than that will be hard

But why 50%?

[skindown]

But why 50%?

High CP generation per Mutilate, ensuring efficient Envenom dumping and EP uptime in one stat

[Dastreus]

Confusing thing for my assassination rogue. I had something like 140% mastery without trying. I went down to about 100% with gear more focused on crit and vers, but then one day I logged in to see 79% mastery. Was Assassination's base mastery nerfed?

[skindown]

Confusing thing for my assassination rogue. I had something like 140% mastery without trying. I went down to about 100% with gear more focused on crit and vers, but then one day I logged in to see 79% mastery. Was Assassination's base mastery nerfed?

No, maybe you switched something and can't remember? @_@"

[Master Guns]

50% crit on Mutilate gives an average ~70% chance to get to 6 CPs after casting two Mutilates

The bigger your EP uptime, the better, but once you get a huge EP uptime with efficient Envenoms, you take out an even bigger damage from EP, that's why it favors crit that much

The "50% mut crit" is like a "checkpoint" to keep an eye for the other secondary stats, since stacking more than that will be hard

I agree that it makes sense, just wanted to know if my hunch was backed by something worth its salt.

[ymirsson]

High CP generation per Mutilate, ensuring efficient Envenom dumping and EP uptime in one stat

No, why >50%<. Why not 55 or 60 or 45? Stating 50 is the magic number makes me wonder why.

[Zempai]

No, why >50%<. Why not 55 or 60 or 45? Stating 50 is the magic number makes me wonder why.

Assuming poison build EP/AP:
44% from gear + 6% from mutilation traits (3x2%)

It's actually simple, just keep your crit between 40-45% and let the rest be mastery. Don't actually tune for mastery unless you're like below 100% ... but then again you may be having "to much" crit anyway.

[Deleted]

Assuming poison build EP/AP:
44% from gear + 6% from mutilation traits (3x2%)

It's actually simple, just keep your crit between 40-45% and let the rest be mastery. Don't actually tune for mastery unless you're like below 100% ... but then again you may be having "to much" crit anyway.

You just blatantly ignored his question, lol.
He is asking, what makes 50% the go-to value.
And I believe that 40% raw crit is ass rogues soft cap,Ymirrson.

[skindown]

No, why >50%<. Why not 55 or 60 or 45? Stating 50 is the magic number makes me wonder why.

There's not really a magic number, I said it is more like a "checkpoint" if you check one of my previous responses, because it will get too hard to stack more crit than 50% ( 44% + the 6% from the Balanced Blades trait ), you'll depend on having sockets on everything to min/max

You just blatantly ignored his question, lol.
He is asking, what makes 50% the go-to value.
And I believe that 40% raw crit is ass rogues soft cap,Ymirrson.

Well, if you use Elaborate Planning as your talent, you will want EVERY ounce of crit that you can get from gear ( which means above 40% ), it GREATLY favors those who have high crit, does not seem to have a "soft cap" because the CP gain linear, atleast not that I know of

But yeah, if you don't run EP, 35~40% crit is just fine, just don't get any haste on your gear, try to keep mastery >= versatility and you'll be set :P