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    A Militia Gets Battle Ready for a ‘Gun-Grabbing’ Clinton Presidency

    A Militia Gets Battle Ready for a ‘Gun-Grabbing’ Clinton Presidency

    JACKSON, Ga. — “Put the guns down!”

    The order crackled over a loudspeaker from two sheriff’s deputies crouched behind the doors of police cruisers, semiautomatic rifles at their sides.

    Several middle-aged militiamen were toting loaded AR-15 rifles and 9-millimeter pistols at a makeshift checkpoint — two lawn chairs and a narrow board — on a dirt driveway in central Georgia. The men, members of the Georgia Security Force III% militia, grumbled but laid their weapons down on the red clay earth.

    The brief standoff ended with an amicable chat, and the men retrieved their weapons the moment the lawmen drove away. But the episode further stoked the militiamen’s abiding fears that their cherished Second Amendment rights are under assault.

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    The Georgia Security Force is one of scores of extremist militias nationwide that have rallied around the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, heartened by his harsh attacks on immigrants, Muslims and Syrian refugees. But no single issue motivates militiamen more than guns — and the enduring belief that Hillary Clinton is plotting to take them away.

    The Georgia militiamen mobilized in the piney woods here last weekend to fire weapons and train for the day when, they believe, they will be forced to defend what they call “our way of life.” Two dozen armed men and women conducted live-fire search-and-destroy drills, pumping out enough rounds to saw through and topple a loblolly pine.

    “We thought it was bad under eight years of Obama, but the gun-grabbing is going to get a whole lot worse if Hillary gets elected,” said Chris Hill, 42, a blond-bearded paralegal who goes by the code name Blood Agent and commands the militia. He wore combat fatigues and packed a .40-caliber Smith & Wesson pistol on his hip.

    When Mr. Trump says he wants to make America great again, Mr. Hill and his roughly 50 local militiamen are enthralled. They long for an America they believe has been stolen from them by liberals, immigrants and “the P.C. crowd.” Their America is one where Christianity is taught in schools, abortion is illegal and immigrants hail from Europe, not faraway Muslim lands.

    These weekend warriors form the obdurate bedrock of Trump Nation: white, rural and working class. They vote, and they are heavily armed, right down to the .22-caliber derringer fired by Nadine Wheeler, 63, a retiree who calls her tiny gun “the best in feminine protection.”

    During two days of conversations, grievances poured forth from the group as effortlessly as bullets from a gun barrel. On armed excursions through sun-dappled forests, they spoke of a vague but looming tyranny — an amalgam of sinister forces to be held at bay only with a firearm and the willingness to use it.

    They are machinists and retirees, roofers and factory line workers, all steeped in the culture of the rural South. They say Mr. Trump, a Manhattan billionaire and real estate tycoon, speaks for them.

    “Within the extreme right, many of Trump’s most passionate backers come from the militia movement,” said Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Center on Extremism at the Anti-Defamation League. “The militia movement is overwhelmingly behind Trump’s candidacy.”

    For militias, Mr. Trump’s anti-establishment views “play right into their paranoid style of politics,” said Ryan Lenz, editor of the Hatewatch blog at the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    The Georgia Security Force is noteworthy among militias for its acute Islamophobia, Mr. Pitcavage said. Its members are so-called 3 percenters, who believe that only 3 percent of colonists fought in the Revolutionary War. That is “a historical myth,” said Mr. Pitcavage, a historian, but useful for those who believe a few people with guns can defeat tyranny.

    At least 330 such 3 percenter groups have formed in all 50 states, by Mr. Pitcavage’s count. There were 276 active militias in 2015, Mr. Lenz said. The number includes some 3 percenter groups.

    Mr. Trump has retweeted posts from white nationalists and Nazi sympathizers, but Mr. Hill and his followers insist that they are not racists, only staunch citizens and patriots with an admittedly apocalyptic outlook. They consider Mr. Trump a bulwark against the candidate they call “Shillary” Clinton.

    Teresa Bueter, 41, worked for 26 years behind a hot grill at a Waffle House while raising three children. Now she is an active member of the Georgia Security Force, decked out in military fatigues. She owns a .32-caliber pistol and a German-made sniper rifle.

    Mrs. Bueter said Syrian refugees entering the country “scare the crap out of me.” With her guns and the militia’s weekend paramilitary drills, she said, she is prepared to fight for the values she has instilled in her children and three grandchildren.

    “Donald Trump would fit right in with our little group,” she said. “He wants America the way we want it, back like it used to be.”

    Firearms are central to their identities. In September, some Georgia Security Force members paraded with guns while protesting plans for a local mosque; one wore a T-shirt that read, “Islam Is of the Devil.” Last year, armed Security Force militiamen rallied in support of the Confederate battle flag.

    At their campground, militia members squeezed off several dozen rounds before breakfast. Then they sat down to scrambled eggs and sausage amid the lingering scent of cordite. Mr. Hill asked who was voting for Mr. Trump. Everyone shouted a unanimous “Oorah!” .

    The militia members seem comfortable inside the same sort of echo chamber of self-confirming arguments they ascribe to the liberal elites they say denigrate and demean them. They repeat tropes gleaned from militia websites and social media. They seem convinced that either the Islamic State, or agents dispatched by Mrs. Clinton, or both, may soon descend on the woods of central Georgia.

    In separate interviews, various militiamen shared the same conspiracy theories, almost word for word: Muslim refugees have established terrorist training camps on American soil. The liberal billionaire George Soros has rigged voting machines for Democrats.

    “We’re like a small military of like-minded people,” said Donald Ensey, 44, a father of four and grandfather of two, who wore fatigue pants and a black T-shirt bearing a profane depiction of an Islamic State fighter and a goat.

    Mr. Ensey, who has a 3 percenter logo tattooed on the back of his hand, said training with the militia was essential to securing everything he had worked for in his lifetime. Even if Mrs. Clinton is not elected, he said, surely someone else will come for his guns.

    Mr. Hill, a Marine veteran, holds FTX sessions, or field training exercises, roughly once a month. Otherwise the members communicate via regular posts on Facebook. Prospective members are approved by a “review board” of current members who vet them on their compatibility with the militia’s beliefs. This session was held on 14 acres owned by Devin Bowen, a machinist who was having a miserable day even before the deputies forced him to drop his pistol.

    The door of his trailer — the one with a sign that reads, “If You Don’t Live Here, Don’t Come Here” — was smashed in earlier that day. Three rifles, a crossbow, 13,000 rounds of ammunition and an 800-pound gun safe were taken — not by federal agents, but by local thieves. Worse, Mr. Bowen was coughing up blood from an unknown malady. He soothed his throat by chugging cold Coca-Colas.

    Mr. Bowen’s comrades urged him to see a doctor, prompting a sour discussion about yet another conspiracy they see: the Affordable Care Act. Mr. Bowen waved them off. He was more concerned about Muslim immigrants’ imposing Shariah law.

    “You cannot come to my country and shove your religion down my throat,” he said, coughing.

    Phillip King, 25, who builds ductwork for a living, was outfitted in camouflage fatigues and a tactical vest holding ammunition clips. Mr. King, code name Cowboy, is the only African-American member of the Georgia Security Force.

    He said he was not offended by the militiamen’s affection for the Confederate battle flag. He shares their love of guns, their conservative values and their view of Mr. Trump as someone who will insulate them from the tyranny of the political left.

    “This is my family — a brotherhood,” he said.

    For Daniels Potts, 21, owning a gun and learning to use it as part of a well-trained militia are essential to halting what he calls “the spread of radical Islam.” He appreciates Mr. Trump’s fierce opposition to Muslim refugees. “Not every Muslim is ISIS, but a lot of them are,” Mr. Potts said.

    He proudly calls himself an infidel and a deplorable. His arms bear tattoos of the 3 percenter logo and of the Kuntry Krackerz, a group affiliated with the Georgia Security Force.

    Mr. Potts earns $16 to $18 an hour as a commercial roofer. He considers himself the type of law-abiding, hard-working American he said is belittled and marginalized by coastal elites. “We’ve been forgotten,” he said.

    Mr. Hill, the militia commander, led Mr. Potts and two dozen other members through a boot camp-style obstacle course carved out of the woods. They clambered over a wall of logs and fired at imaginary enemies as they “cleared” rooms made of plywood and sheets of black plastic.

    One militiaman wore a shirt with a message that read, “When Tyranny Becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.”

    It was all part of the militia’s efforts to be armed, ready and united for looming threats, especially if Mrs. Clinton is elected, Mr. Hill said. He mentioned his two children. “The security and safety of my kids motivates what I do,” he said.

    Mr. Hill, who calls his group a “defensive militia,” predicted unrest and violence from extremists on both sides no matter who wins the presidential election. If Mrs. Clinton wins, he said, millions of gun owners will march on Washington at the first attempt to restrict gun ownership.

    “If the people decide they can no longer suffer the inequities,” he said, “I’d be with the people and I’d take my guns up to Washington, D.C.”
    Curious to hear if anyone has heard of these people..supposedly running around in the woods of all 50 states? I work with a guy that talks exactly like them and seems to have that same mindset and it makes you wonder if they even hear themselves anymore. The echo chamber is a great reference here, with the guy I work with for example, he makes up these arguments in his head to justify this.

    The results of this election are going to be interesting either way with Trump more than likely going to refuse to accept that he lost and who knows wtf if he wins. With Clinton, probably getting impeached upon being elected and militias forming if she's elected.

    \(o.O)/
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    Those people vote Trump and have big guns. They are thus heroes . It's not like people vandalizing during a BLM march, who are dangerous terrorist that should be (insert widely imprraticable alt-righter fantasy of mayhem, got from his last COD game)<

    There is just one law in the US for real men, and it's having guns. All the others one are optionnal if someone tell you on YouTube that the gubinement is going to take your guns. All the US laws and amendments other than the second are for sissies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Those people vote Trump and have big guns. They are thus heroes . It's not like people vandalizing during a BLM march, who are dangerous terrorist that should be (insert widely imprraticable alt-righter fantasy of mayhem, got from his last COD game)
    Nothing you've said here has any validity whatsoever except that BLM bit.

    There's nothing wrong with their concerns, would be strongarm politicians want nothing more than a disarmed populace.
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    Believing everything is coming to an end was exhausting in my 20s.

    I'm impressed some people can continually bang the Gong o' Fear for so long.

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    I like how reasonable policies like background checks and making sure guns purchased from individuals or gun shows require background checks and gun registration somehow translates into banning all guns.

    Crazies are gonna crazy, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Those people vote Trump and have big guns. They are thus heroes . It's not like people vandalizing during a BLM march...
    Surely the people committing a crime (vandalism) are worse that those not committing a crime, so your attempt at sarcasm is bizarre, even by your standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Surely the people committing a crime (vandalism) are worse that those not committing a crime, so your attempt at sarcasm is bizarre, even by your standards.
    Planning to overthrow the governemnt, even if Alex Jones told you to do so, is quite illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    Nothing you've said here has any validity whatsoever except that BLM bit.

    There's nothing wrong with their concerns, would be strongarm politicians want nothing more than a disarmed populace.
    Yeah, I'm sure that the Oregon LARPERs make the gubinment terrified of those ''former SEALS with gorilla warfare training''.

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    Looks like an excuse to drink beer.
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    These suckers are the reason gun sales are always good, everything under a democratic president is banning all guns. Obama didn't get all guns, neither did Bill Clinton but hey gun lobby needs these idiots to keep those amazing sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I like how reasonable policies like background checks and making sure guns purchased from individuals or gun shows require background checks and gun registration somehow translates into banning all guns.

    Crazies are gonna crazy, I guess.
    Except gun supporters know it doesn't stop there, as the people pushing those 'reasonable policies' are all anti gun and want to see no one but police and military with them. Regardless of that the 2nd Amendment is about as absolute as you can get.

    Those 'reasonable policies' don't do shit to address illegal guns nor the people who acquire them and use them for ill ends, which is the real problem in gun violence not this stupid shit gun grabbers want to trot out as 'reasonable.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Planning to overthrow the governemnt, even if Alex Jones told you to do so, is quite illegal.
    I've read the article, but couldn't find a passage that said they were planning to overthrow the government, can you quote it please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    There's nothing wrong with their concerns, would be strongarm politicians want nothing more than a disarmed populace.
    The US populace might as well be disarmed even in their current state when you compare them to what they'd be going up against. Lets see those militias go up against a single M1 Abrams and see how well they can scratch the paint before they get blown the fuck up.

    People who freak out at the prospect of background checks and vetting for gun ownership are the kind of people that wouldn't have been allowed to get the guns they already own in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Planning to overthrow the governemnt, even if Alex Jones told you to do so, is quite illegal.

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    Yeah, I'm sure that the Oregon LARPERs make the gubinment terrified of those ''former SEALS with gorilla warfare training''.
    You again have no point, and are just shitslinging to shitsling so grats on that. Keep getting worked up though and have a early heart attack. No one will miss you.
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    Some dead rednecks incoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    The US populace might as well be disarmed even in their current state when you compare them to what they'd be going up against. Lets see those militias go up against a single M1 Abrams and see how well they can scratch the paint before they get blown the fuck up.
    No militia is going to attack a tank straight up, so this is a really poor example here. I do understand what you're saying logistically, and trust me so do they.
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    Marching on Washington with millions of guns owners, which is a very unsubtle plan to overthrow the government.

    It's also a fantasy, a recurring own. As the usual miltia have twenty colonels (all former SEALs) and one grunt, they tend to be a tad lacking in troops. ''Million'' usually translate in ''ten''

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Marching on Washington with millions of guns owners, which is a very unsubtle plan to overthrow the government.
    Where does it state they intend to overthrow the government, quote it please? Or are you saying that all marches to a seat of government are attempts to overthrow the government?

    It's also a fantasy
    They are fantasists, but people in glass houses and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post


    Looks like an excuse to drink beer.
    I love that pic, The guy on the right in shades you can tell would always be in "going frosty" mode

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damajin View Post
    No militia is going to attack a tank straight up, so this is a really poor example here. I do understand what you're saying logistically, and trust me so do they.
    They are going to wait for the rocket launcher to spawn ? They are going to run to Wall Mart to buy IEDs ? They are going to cry that this is unfair ?

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    BTW, guys, I'm a bit lost. You advocate usually for having the largest military possible (even if, for instance, it's a tad overkill to type angrily that the US need ten more carriers when only one country have a real modern carrier besides you, and it's France...) but at the same time you assume that the said army would be beaten by the dudes on post 19.

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    Nobody but the dudes in post 19 and their dumb ass followers think they could stand up to police, let alone our military.

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