[SPECULATION] Legion bosses are not dead - Argus raid

[zsecmmo]

We all know that you can't kill the Legion unless it's on there home world. I have suspicious feeling that we are going to be doing a redo on Argus - which means Gul'dan, Archimonde, etc, just in a more powerful setting. Comments?

[Marston]

They need to regenerate, eh? Who knows, maybe some of those powerful demons are even trash mobs... xD

Is Gul'dan considered a demon?

[Shimejii]

Guldan is not a demon, hes dead. Archimonde is most likely not dead as some Mythic content is not cannon (aka killing him in TN), Kiljaden will not be dead in the tomb.

[ReVnX]

Archimonde is dead. We don't know how Gul'dan dies or even if he has a demon soul..

[Shimejii]

Archimonde is dead. We don't know how Gul'dan dies or even if he has a demon soul..

We do know how he dies, it was shown in the end cinematic for nighthold.

[zsecmmo]

Guldan is not a demon, hes dead. Archimonde is most likely not dead as Mythic content is not cannon (aka killing him in TN), Kiljaden will not be dead in the tomb.

Gul'dan became a demon the day he gave up his soul to the Legion.

[ReVnX]

How the fuck is that cinematic already datamined? Glad I did not see it

[Shimejii]

How the fuck is that cinematic already datamined? Glad I did not see it

Yeah, someone posted it on YT. Its very interesting but anti-climatic

[Deleted]

Guldan is not a demon, hes dead. Archimonde is most likely not dead as Mythic content is not cannon (aka killing him in TN), Kiljaden will not be dead in the tomb.

KJ could die in the tomb, demons die if they are killed in the nether or areas of very high fel saturation. The tomb of sargeras would definitely be an area of high fel saturation.

[AlmightyGerkin]

"Demons can only be destroyed in the Twisting Nether, in places where it bleeds into the world of mortals, or in places utterly saturated with the demonic energies of the Burning Legion"

[Eazy]

I thought that mythic phase is considered as canon - so we killed him in the Nether?

Gul'dan isn't demon.

[Phunkle]

Guldan is not a demon, hes dead. Archimonde is most likely not dead as Mythic content is not cannon (aka killing him in TN), Kiljaden will not be dead in the tomb.

Highmaul and Cho'gall say hi.

We do know how he dies, it was shown in the end cinematic for nighthold.

We do not know if he is dead. He might have a Demon Soul and be able to return. There is no factual statement for that at the moment so please don't try to make one up.

[zsecmmo]

I thought that mythic phase is considered as canon - so we killed him in the Nether?

Gul'dan isn't demon.

Why do people keep saying Gul'dan isn't a demon, he had freaking horns coming out of his back.

[Houle]

How often do we have to discuss the Archimonde question...it's not really sure if he's still alive, because even in Mythic he took his last breath on Draenor and, therefore, died not in the Nether. But he could also be dead because we wounded him mortally in the Nether. It depends on how Blizz decides.

[Kaneiac]

Why do people keep saying Gul'dan isn't a demon, he had freaking horns coming out of his back.

Agreed. The criteria for having a "demon soul" is if you're super corrupted and/or consume souls. Gul'dan has done both in spades.

If Illidan has a fucking demon soul, so SHOULD gul'dan

[Deleted]

Why do people keep saying Gul'dan isn't a demon, he had freaking horns coming out of his back.

So had Kilrogg.

[ComputerNerd]

Why do people keep saying Gul'dan isn't a demon, he had freaking horns coming out of his back.

Being changed by Fel Energy does not make someone a demon.
It may however imbue them with strengths and weaknesses associated with them though.
As to which though remains uncertain, if it is even that simple.
Demon Hunters for example go much further towards demon than others.

[Phunkle]

Being changed by Fel Energy does not make someone a demon.
It may however imbue them with strengths and weaknesses associated with them though.
As to which though remains uncertain, if it is even that simple.
Demon Hunters for example go much further towards demon than others.

What's your source on that? Where does the game state at which point a character is a demon or at least a demonic being to make that sentence hold any ground.

[Deleted]

A raid where we meet all the old demons would be cool to finish them once and for all.
Hyjal summit demons, some of HFC, etc. The small ones from dungeons troughout the years can be trash encounters with tactics.

[apples]

What's your source on that? Where does the game state at which point a character is a demon or at least a demonic being to make that sentence hold any ground.

demon is more faction than it is a race

think chaos/destruction magic and anyone who uses it