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    So called Global Warming is an ideology or religion promoted by the Left..
    Did you know that INDIA and CHINA can burn coal without any restriction..even though Global Warming
    is caused supposenly by C02 burn.

    I will say Climate change, but leftys call it Climate change even though the climate has been changing between the Geological Periods.
    The Climate has changed between Ice Age to Warm ..Nothing to worry about

    The Left just want attention.. Climate Change is their ruse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    How do you know that?
    Studies such as the one reported on in this NY Times article suggest it.



    And the US is definitely amongst the most denialy of developed countries by any measure, if not the most denialy. With that said, the oil industry is a global phenomena - and their propaganda isn't confined to the US.

    As it stands, the countries who are experiencing the impact of climate change already are generally the ones who a) recognize it as a threat, and b) attribute humanity with some degree of responsibility for causing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussiedude View Post
    The Left just want attention.. Climate Change is their ruse
    AGW legislation really only has two results

    a) people have less money to spend because energy costs are higher
    b) companies which don't lean left face putative taxation and regulation

    The climate itself trucks on just as it has long before man and shall for long after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    The climate itself trucks on just as it has long before man and shall for long after.
    True, but humans have a limited time to live on Earth while its climate is habitable, and we can speed up the process of climate change which narrows our lifespan window.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Because fuck you, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    True, but humans have a limited time to live on Earth while its climate is habitable, and we can speed up the process of climate change which narrows our lifespan window.
    Noooooooooooooooooooooooo what are you talking about? We'll all be fine forever something something climate cycle something something I don't understand science something something liberal left.
    We all know that the only thing the Earth understands is tough love. /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    True, but humans have a limited time to live on Earth while its climate is habitable, and we can speed up the process of climate change which narrows our lifespan window.
    They probably shouldn't have polluted the issue with so much bogus hate game hysteria and wealth redistribution corruption then.

    They tried to come off as the sole voice of reason but people saw through the scam.

    Its like being able to make the best hamburger in the world and then setting up a restaurant that spits in the customers face when they walk through your door and calls them a racist when they turn around and leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    They probably shouldn't have polluted the issue with so much bogus hate game hysteria and wealth redistribution corruption then.
    None of that is true. It's all nonsense that was made up by deniers, as slander. Not understanding projections does not mean those making them are creating "hysteria".

    Taxing companies to offset the environmental damage their products cause is not "wealth redistribution", however much you think they should get a pass.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurinaux View Post
    Our country used to dream to solve problems. We would have debates on what to do and how to get to the solution. Now we have a party whose argument is to never dream to create any solutions.

    You want to make America great again? Start thinking of how you can use government to accomplish the goals of society.
    I can get the ball rolling with some satire.

    To start, we wont be letting some micro-concentrated leftist elite world super-government tell us how long we can run our air conditioner in the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    None of that is true. It's all nonsense that was made up by deniers, as slander.

    Taxing companies to offset the environmental damage their products cause is not "wealth redistribution", however much you think they should get a pass.
    ENDUS! I missed you most of all.

    So you're saying all that was "fake news" hehe?

    Whole lot of tax payer money ended up in the pockets of "green tech" CEOs who pitched obviously bad ideas to the government but got grants anyways and then went bankrupt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurinaux View Post
    Start thinking of how you can use government to accomplish the goals of society.
    Just think about how if you give the government all this power, what happens when someone you do not like gets elected.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurinaux View Post
    Americans all doing their part to curb our energy consumption. My heart swells at the idea of such a perfect image of patriotism.
    Lol well we little people have to make cutbacks so Leo and Al can have their private jets roaming the planet dumping out more carbon in an hour than we do in a year hehe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    ENDUS! I missed you most of all.

    So you're saying all that was "fake news" hehe?
    Basically. It's not like it's a secret that the fossil fuel industry is directly funding climate change denial, in the same way that tobacco companies were directly funding tobacco-is-healthy "research";
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...l-lobby-groups

    Whole lot of tax payer money ended up in the pockets of "green tech" CEOs who pitched obviously bad ideas to the government but got grants anyways and then went bankrupt.
    Is this where you point at Solyndra and ignore that the program it was a part of was a huge success overall?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...unded-solyndra

    One failure among a strong string of successes does not mean that money was being thrown away; the program's been a net gain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Why the hell the only place in the world where global warming isn accepted as a fact by a large % of its population is the US?
    Ask the Trump supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Is this where you point at Solyndra and ignore that the program it was a part of was a huge success overall?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...unded-solyndra

    One failure among a strong string of successes does not mean that money was being thrown away; the program's been a net gain.
    Could point to Solyndra...

    Could also point to this list of so called "green tech" companies that share three things in common:

    1. They have key players with connections to the Obama Administration.
    2. They all received tax payer money.
    2. They (or for some just the green tech divisions/subsidiaries) all went bankrupt but those same key players walked away wealthy.

    Scam --> KABOOM!

    Just one of the many reasons why America chose to reject this agenda.

    Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    Solyndra ($535 million)*
    Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    Amonix ($5.9 million)
    Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    Schneider Electric ($86 million)
    Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
    Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    GreenVolts ($500,000)
    Vestas ($50 million)
    LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    Navistar ($39 million)
    Satcon ($3 million)*
    Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    Could point to Solyndra...

    Could also point to this list of so called "green tech" companies that share three things in common:

    1. They have key players with connections to the Obama Administration.
    2. They all received tax payer money.
    2. They (or for some just the green tech divisions/subsidiaries) all went bankrupt but those same key players walked away wealthy.

    Scam --> KABOOM!

    Just one of the many reasons why America chose to reject this agenda.
    So, straight-up lying, then. That's how you want to play this?

    You're taking that list from here; http://nation.foxnews.com/obama/2012...nergy-failures

    There is no "key players with connections to the Obama Administration" aspect. You're making that shit up.
    While they DID receive money, and these companies did go bankrupt, the program itself has been highly profitable for the government, generating far more success than failure. So cherry-picking these is again dishonest.

    Fox News just cherry-picked the details misleadingly. You're blatantly lying on top of that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    None of that is true. It's all nonsense that was made up by deniers, as slander. Not understanding projections does not mean those making them are creating "hysteria".

    Taxing companies to offset the environmental damage their products cause is not "wealth redistribution", however much you think they should get a pass.
    Taxing companies is the answer! Consumers will get passed on the tax and the companies will continue to pollute, brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    So, straight-up lying, then. That's how you want to play this?

    You're taking that list from here; http://nation.foxnews.com/obama/2012...nergy-failures

    There is no "key players with connections to the Obama Administration" aspect. You're making that shit up.
    While they DID receive money, and these companies did go bankrupt, the program itself has been highly profitable for the government, generating far more success than failure. So cherry-picking these is again dishonest.

    Fox News just cherry-picked the details misleadingly. You're blatantly lying on top of that.
    Actually it was from gatewaypundit.

    And nope no lies.

    Just a truth you've never been exposed to.

    Anyways the good news is under President of the United States of America Donald J. Trump we wont have to worry about funneling of tax payer money to bad companies.

    Hooray!
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  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    Could point to Solyndra...

    Could also point to this list of so called "green tech" companies that share three things in common:

    1. They have key players with connections to the Obama Administration.
    2. They all received tax payer money.
    2. They (or for some just the green tech divisions/subsidiaries) all went bankrupt but those same key players walked away wealthy.

    Scam --> KABOOM!

    Just one of the many reasons why America chose to reject this agenda.
    Don't argue with him, he's young and in college in this field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    Actually it was from gatewaypundit.

    And nope no lies.

    Just a truth you've never been exposed to.

    Anyways the good news is under President of the United States of America Donald J. Trump we wont have to worry about funneling of tax payer money to bad companies.

    Hooray!
    Well we will, just not those bad companies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    Actually it was from gatewaypundit.

    And nope no lies.

    Just a truth you've never been exposed to.
    The claim that "key players" have connections to Obama? That's a lie. Absolutely baseless statement, unless the "connection" is "participated in this green-energy program".


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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Don't argue with him, he's young and in college in this field.
    I missed victory night here on MMO-C, how was it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    Yup.

    But before anyone decides to misunderstand: when you factor in all ice sheets, there's a massive net loss.
    Gee, I wonder why the OP didn't include this info in his post.

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