Blizzard apologises for communication breakdown

[styil]

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/t...36?page=10#184

Just because a change shows up in a PTR build does not mean that it’s something the team views as a final design (or even a design we’re necessarily happy with). This has been especially true with 7.1.5, and we’ve done a poor job of communicating that thus far. We’d like to apologize for that failing, and it’s something we’re actively working to correct.

You know the communication is bad when Ghostcrawler is discussing WoW more at the moment than the current WoW dev team combined. Do you think that we should expect improved developer communication in the future? If so, in what ways? Or is this just more PR spin?

[Traveler Voltin]

Too little too late.

[Flurryfang]

Things are going fine. People are way overdoing it atm. There needs to run some cool water down Canal Grande.

[Deleted]

there only now just realising they dnt communicate well this has been happening for many years since fucking cataclysm, maybe in another 6 years they will admit they should listen to beta feedback

[TyrianFC]

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/t...36?page=10#184


You know the communication is bad when Ghostcrawler is discussing WoW more at the moment than the current WoW dev team combined. Do you think that we should expect improved developer communication in the future? If so, in what ways? Or is this just more PR spin?

The root of the problem here is the bloody players.

Players are whiny, ungrateful little shits who dont deserve communication in the first place. Id rather blizzard focus on making the game than try to give frequent updates to the playerbase which will just be taken out of context and overanalysed to the extreme.

[TITAN308]

The root of the problem here is the bloody players.

Players are whiny, ungrateful little shits who dont deserve communication in the first place. Id rather blizzard focus on making the game than try to deal with the playerbase.

Pretty much this.

[darklogrus]

Doesn't matter if they did communicate well because they would just go back on whatever they said regardless.

[Deleted]

The root of the problem here is the bloody players.

Players are whiny, ungrateful little shits who dont deserve communication in the first place. Id rather blizzard focus on making the game than try to give frequent updates to the playerbase which will just be taken out of context and overanalysed to the extreme.

Couldn't have said it better myself. They are putting way too much effort into making the vocal neckbeards happy.

[Deleted]

The root of the problem here is the bloody players.

Players are whiny, ungrateful little shits who dont deserve communication in the first place. Id rather blizzard focus on making the game than try to give frequent updates to the playerbase which will just be taken out of context and overanalysed to the extreme.

in game voice was the only thing implemented back then and in 6.1 in wod twitter and selfie cam blizzard dnt give 2 shits about us they only care about our bank accounts and blizzard arent focused on content see patch 2.2

[Underverse]

The root of the problem here is the bloody players.

Players are whiny, ungrateful little shits who dont deserve communication in the first place. Id rather blizzard focus on making the game than try to deal with the playerbase.

Yup. I'm getting pretty tired of the constant whining. Players do not know what is best for a game, in most cases.

[darklogrus]

Yup. I'm getting pretty tired of the constant whining. Players do not know what is best for a game, in most cases.

Neither does Blizzard if they have to rework numerous specs mid expansion.

[shoegazing]

they completely dropped the ball on legion class design. throughout the alpha and beta processes we saw threads with 70+ pages of feedback about a single spec which was overwhelmingly ignored. nevermind the fact that many specs were working great before (subtlety rogue -- which they completely butchered for absolutely no reason at all) and should have been changed only minimally in legion, even worse is the fact that trying to build 36 specs (complete with rotations, talents, pvp talents, artifacts, etc) completely from scratch is an overwhelmingly expensive and time consuming undertaking if you value doing it right (clearly they didn't as evidenced by the results)

legion is an expansion that is filled to the brim with gorgeous content, some of the best they have ever made. and yet the fundamental lense through which the player experiences the world is their class, and when you see an elegant and finely tuned class that you have enjoyed for 12 years get utterly trashed for no reason at all, the best content in history can't polish that turd.

[Arbs]

The root of the problem here is the bloody players.

Players are whiny, ungrateful little shits who dont deserve communication in the first place. Id rather blizzard focus on making the game than try to give frequent updates to the playerbase which will just be taken out of context and overanalysed to the extreme.

Well said, sadly most people will think it is a troll. But in reality what you said is so true.

[kalaratic]

class design team went full retard this expac, don't blame the players for trying to salvage what they could of their spec.

[Arbs]

they completely dropped the ball on legion class design. throughout the alpha and beta processes we saw threads with 70+ pages of feedback about a single spec which was overwhelmingly ignored. nevermind the fact that many specs were working great before (subtlety rogue -- which they completely butchered for absolutely no reason at all) and should have been changed only minimally in legion, even worse is the fact that trying to build 36 specs (complete with rotations, talents, pvp talents, artifacts, etc) completely from scratch is an overwhelmingly expensive and time consuming undertaking if you value doing it right (clearly they didn't as evidenced by the results)

legion is an expansion that is filled to the brim with gorgeous content, some of the best they have ever made. and yet the fundamental lense through which the player experiences the world is their class, and when you see an elegant and finely tuned class that you have enjoyed for 12 years get utterly trashed for no reason at all, the best content in history can't polish that turd.

Class design is in a mess for sure, but it only a couple specs & really most of those specs are doing fine in terms of competitiveness & numbers. But so boring to play.

They have to add alittle more flavour to the specs, but if they do that than you have the bads who will whine & cry that their class / spec is to hard to play & than say Blizzard ruined it. I would if their was 3 ways you could play a spec & everything was competitive, but we all know in a game were people want to min/max their is only 1 choice the one that does the most damage. Even if it is 1% it is still the best.

[styil]

The root of the problem here is the bloody players.

Players are whiny, ungrateful little shits who dont deserve communication in the first place. Id rather blizzard focus on making the game than try to give frequent updates to the playerbase which will just be taken out of context and overanalysed to the extreme.

That is exactly what they did in Legion Alpha/Beta, yet here we are waiting for the problems to be fixed 3+ months later in 7.1.5.

[clevin]

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/t...36?page=10#184


You know the communication is bad when Ghostcrawler is discussing WoW more at the moment than the current WoW dev team combined. Do you think that we should expect improved developer communication in the future? If so, in what ways? Or is this just more PR spin?

They'e said that before. You know what helps? Fixing the damn communication. This is the 3rd or 4th time Watcher has said that.

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The root of the problem here is the bloody players.

Players are whiny, ungrateful little shits who dont deserve communication in the first place. Id rather blizzard focus on making the game than try to give frequent updates to the playerbase which will just be taken out of context and overanalysed to the extreme.

Says the person with a footer that indicates they've not played since Cata.

But of course we should just meekly hand over money and not every say anything if we're dissatisfied, right? RIGHT?

[Arbs]

They'e said that before. You know what helps? Fixing the damn communication. This is the 3rd or 4th time Watcher has said that.

It will not get better, they may be more open. But their will always be some vocal crowd that will complain that the class design isn't in their favor.

What I would see if give their thoughts on what they have planned before they do it, Not wasting time designing something for a class when majority of the Class or Specs community dislikes it.

But doing so, only a small percent may even bother to communicate about it.

[clevin]

Yup. I'm getting pretty tired of the constant whining.

So don't come to the site. Don't open certain threads. Or do you lack selfcontrol?

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It will not get better, they may be more open. But their will always be some vocal crowd that will complain that the class design isn't in their favor.

1) Some of the classes ARE fuckedup

2) You utterly missed my point. Watcher has talked about how they fail at comms several times. At some point, you either fix it or you don't. Apologies after a certain point are meaningless.

[Selky]

Communication isn't the problem, the current state of class design and Blizzard's inability to correct it is the problem. If there was a sign that they were learning from their mistakes then no one would care if they stay silent. Of course people are going to want answers when crap like Waylay makes it onto the PTR.