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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Again, profiteering masquerading as social investment. If they were smart, they'd have done what the UAE is in the process of doing and used the obscene profits to build Venezuela up into a service hub.

    But hey, corrupt dickheads gonna be corrupt whether socialist or fascist.
    Shhhh, don't point out what really happened. Let him have his bubble of reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Not really, the only people that are being labled crybabies are the people protesting the election and destroying property. You don't see conservatives labeling your run of the mill American a Cuck, unlike how SJW's were labeling almost every American as being some sort of fascist or racist if they didn't agree.

    Hell, that's all the term "white privilege" is, its a label used to bludgeon white men and women into not having a opinion. Don't agree with a SJW? you better check your privilege.

    Want to make a argument with a SJW....pffft, go whitesplain it to someone else.
    I am sorry Tony but this very forum would have me say differently. The very internet would have me say differently. The very documentation of people doing it, would have me say differently. Heck, you yourself sometimes label people wholesale, maybe as a joke or out frustration but I have seen you do it.

    So don't even try and deny that it exists, we can discuss to what degree but you seriously can't deny that it exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Not really, the only people that are being labled crybabies are the people protesting the election and destroying property. You don't see conservatives labeling your run of the mill American a Cuck, unlike how SJW's were labeling almost every American as being some sort of fascist or racist if they didn't agree.
    Typically the MO is to label them as being 'unamerican'.

    That aside, the whole 'SJW' thing is ultimately a reaction to the repeated insistence that American society is post-racist, sexist, etc and the subsequent demonisation of any rational attempt to say 'on the contrary'. The emergence of a more militant brand of social justice is a result of these issues not only being addressed but being framed as non-issues and critics being attacked in a vulgar fashion. I mean, say what you will about the likes of Anita Sarkeesian, at least she made an effort to try and present her arguments in a reasonable fashion - the response to which was precisely the sort of behaviour the 'anti-SJWs' decry.

    And ultimately there's a massive irony in people who say they are tired of PC culture making a reprehensible decision because...they take offense to something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    But to address the question of deficit spending, deficit spending isn't inherently bad, actually it is the sign of a healthy economy. The same is true for any company over the Mom and Pop size.

    My business at any given time has a debt substantially larger than whatever equity we hold, and our books are more than healthy. And the same is true for every financial institution and so on. Debt is an absolute core and fundational element of capitalism. If you have an issue with debt you need to look into some other form of economic organization. Overburdening yourself with debt and interests is a different question and a genuine risk, and is almost always actually tied to the market's tendency to speculate, and this can only be kept in check with stringent regulations.
    Both parties spend to oblivion and back and are terrible for it. As for debt being a good thing, you are partially correct. Businesses can go into debt to fund their growth however, this is predicated on the business eventually producing more wealth and paying away that debt or using the produced wealth as collateral in pushing it towards further debt, but in the hope of continued subsequent growth. Regardless, fiscal reality in the free market means that wealth the business borrowed has to come from somewhere. These banks /investors then assume the responsibility of failure. If a business caves they and obviously the employees/owners take the hit.

    Who takes the hit when the government spending comes due? It is future generations that will pay for current failures. Think of it like the environment. We pass on the health of our environment to future generations. We are obligated to protect it for that reason. The economy is the same.

    It is especially dangerous since governments turn to totalitarianism and war when they are unwilling to face the reality of financial collapse as a result excessive debt and spending. We cannot pretend that the debt is not an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemposs View Post
    The nations that you mention, are first of all some of the lowest debts of GDP percentage in the western world, second none of them are accumulating more debt, they are paying it off.
    If you had said this in 2013-14, you'd be right, but so was every single other western nation.
    Minor bumps the road do not change the roads destination. If the conditions I mentioned (high employment - falling due to many factors automation being one and a homogeneous high work ethic culture - being destroyed via immigration and government dependence) are not met, the system cannot stay in balance for an extended amount of time. Sure you and I may live just fine, but it is at the expense of future generations. That might be ok for some, but not for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khelek View Post
    Minor bumps the road do not change the roads destination. If the conditions I mentioned (high employment - falling due to many factors automation being one and a homogeneous high work ethic culture - being destroyed via immigration and government dependence) are not met, the system cannot stay in balance for an extended amount of time. Sure you and I may live just fine, but it is at the expense of future generations. That might be ok for some, but not for myself.
    The destination that you are trying to imply, will effect every single country, no matter the amount of implemented socialism. And said destination, is unlikely to not involve some forms of socialism (might even be more than it is now), since without it, it would essentially take our current disproportion of wealth and make it tenfold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/9efcd39...on-crisis.html




    Bernie Sanders must be upset at this development.
    If you don't like Chavez then why support Trump who modeled his whole campaign on Chavez?

    I mean its literally the same thing. Blame everything on foreigners. Talk about how the system is corrupt. Talk about "those elites" who never listen. Talk about how poorly the country is doing. Then at the end of it all promise to make everything great.

    That's Chavez. That's also Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khelek View Post
    Both parties spend to oblivion and back and are terrible for it. As for debt being a good thing, you are partially correct. Businesses can go into debt to fund their growth however, this is predicated on the business eventually producing more wealth and paying away that debt or using the produced wealth as collateral in pushing it towards further debt, but in the hope of continued subsequent growth. Regardless, fiscal reality in the free market means that wealth the business borrowed has to come from somewhere. These banks /investors then assume the responsibility of failure. If a business caves they and obviously the employees/owners take the hit.

    Who takes the hit when the government spending comes due? It is future generations that will pay for current failures. Think of it like the environment. We pass on the health of our environment to future generations. We are obligated to protect it for that reason. The economy is the same.

    It is especially dangerous since governments turn to totalitarianism and war when they are unwilling to face the reality of financial collapse as a result excessive debt and spending. We cannot pretend that the debt is not an issue.
    Err government spending never comes due. Never. Its rolled over to infinity. As for private debt that continues for infinity too. Debt is never ever got rid of but is only shifted about within the economy. That's because one persons debt is another persons savings and if you try and pay down debt you also wipe out peoples savings too.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSnow View Post
    Bolivia wasn't pure socialist and is failing. Peru wasn't pure socialism when Alan Garcia took power and failed. Same Argentina . Also no government intervention is not socialism.
    Medicare, medicaid, social security, bailing out of big banks, take over of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac there's a rather long list of socialism and communism in the United States many democracies have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Not really, the only people that are being labled crybabies are the people protesting the election and destroying property. You don't see conservatives labeling your run of the mill American a Cuck, unlike how SJW's were labeling almost every American as being some sort of fascist or racist if they didn't agree.

    Hell, that's all the term "white privilege" is, its a label used to bludgeon white men and women into not having a opinion. Don't agree with a SJW? you better check your privilege.

    Want to make a argument with a SJW....pffft, go whitesplain it to someone else.


    oI see conservatives label anyone and everyone that disagrees them all sorts of things from libtards, rino's, sjw, commies and yes cucks, all you have to do is look at various blog "news" chat boards

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    why is it they always pick the one corrupt dictatorship who was over reliant on oil during one of the worst oil price depressions ever, as a socialist country that is a prime example of what would happen to all socialist countries?

    sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Again, profiteering masquerading as social investment. If they were smart, they'd have done what the UAE is in the process of doing and used the obscene profits to build Venezuela up into a service hub.

    But hey, corrupt dickheads gonna be corrupt whether socialist or fascist.
    NO. You lib. don't get to get away with this. This is the TRUE AND PURE COMMUNISM. This is one of the few right communist thing done by chavez. Read Karl Marx. Its available in Library. In communist state, there is no PRIVATE enterprise. The Workers own all the means of production, via the STATE, which is composed by workers (again venusueza its leadership is made of common people like teachers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracos854 View Post
    Medicare, medicaid, social security, bailing out of big banks, take over of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac there's a rather long list of socialism and communism in the United States many democracies have them.

    >Medicare,Medicaid and Social Security.

    Social democracy. Funny enough basic income is a libertarian idea.

    >Bailing banks

    Neo keynesyanism

    I don't know about the latter two. So no comment there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemposs View Post
    Wanna know the funny thing about this? Those people don't recognize that they are doing the exact same thing, labeling crybabies/sjws/whatnot on anything left wing
    It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect and you'll find plenty of examples on the internet.

    More interesting is the transition for many racists, sexists and homophobes into relativists. "My racism, sexism and homophobia is just a good as your acceptance and inclusion, my bigotry just as valid as your tolerance."

    I guess it really comes down to what kind of world you want to live in. Some people will just truly never give a fuck about anyone other than themselves. They won't give a fuck about the environment or the shit that anyone who comes after them will have to deal with. They won't give a fuck about the suffering and dying of innocents. They got theirs and that's all that matters. The RNC Chairman himself admitted to courting those specific bigots (via the Southern Strategy) for the votes they couldn't outright steal through mass voter disfranchisement of US citizens. Between that and the widespread tampering we now have Trump as the Presient-elect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    Why everyone we disagree with is stupid and evil.
    Brings them down to our level, where we have experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khelek View Post
    To those defending Bernie:

    "These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?"

    Quote from Bernie Sanders own website

    He has no concept off real world economics.
    Trump won the presidency and he has how many bankruptcies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    why is it they always pick the one corrupt dictatorship who was over reliant on oil during one of the worst oil price depressions ever, as a socialist country that is a prime example of what would happen to all socialist countries?

    sigh
    Because shutup and pay your student loan debt with your minimum wage paying job until I replace you with automation.

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