Sweden needs 64K immigrants annually to solve its labour shortage

[Kalis]

Lmao at this accusation. Go ahead though, what other accounts do I have?

"I am not saying they have multiple accounts." is literally in the post you quoted.

[Tennis]

Because if it was that simple it'd just offer the training to people already here?

According to the article, it's a population problem. Swedes aren't reproducing at the replacement rate hence the need for immigrants. Who are we to argue with the experts?

[Deleted]

According to the article, it's a population problem. Swedes aren't reproducing at the replacement rate hence the need for immigrants. Who are we to argue with the experts?

What does this even have to do with the post? You're making no sense.

[Tennis]

... No, it's not doable. People are already getting their educations as fast as they can through universities and we'll have to wait 3-5 years or even more with people who would start today before they even can work.

It depends on the area of specialization. Construction work for example doesn't need that much training. Same with other service jobs.

[Xanjori]

According to the article, it's a population problem. Swedes aren't reproducing at the replacement rate hence the need for immigrants. Who are we to argue with the experts?

You're talking about 64k people, Sweden has roughly 400k unemployed people, basic maths is quite simple.

[Deleted]

It depends on the area of specialization. Construction work for example doesn't need that much training. Same with other service jobs.

Oh well, luckily enough we totally have enough people getting educated in that. No, wait, that's why we have a shortage because not enough people want to do that.

[Xanjori]

It depends on the area of specialization. Construction work for example doesn't need that much training. Same with other service jobs.

And it's not the simple jobs that Sweden is lacking workers for....

[Tennis]

You're talking about 64k people, Sweden has roughly 400k unemployed people, basic maths is quite simple.

That's fine. There's always going to be a few unemployed people. The optimal unemployment rate is somewhere around 5% if I recall correctly.

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Oh well, luckily enough we totally have enough people getting educated in that. No, wait, that's why we have a shortage because not enough people want to do that.

I'm not sure how you figured this out. The article says both the private and public sector. It doesn't say only job shortages in highly specialized areas.

[Xanjori]

That's fine. There's always going to be a few unemployed people. The optimal unemployment rate is somewhere around 5% if I recall correctly.

Pretty sure Norway consistently keeps their unemployment under 4% and is definitely a model country.

[Kalis]

That's fine. There's always going to be a few unemployed people. The optimal unemployment rate is somewhere around 5% if I recall correctly.

You don't import unemployable people to increase your unemployment sector though, that is missing the point of the entire argument.

[twiddler]

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[Deleted]

I'm not sure how you figured this out. The article says both the private and public sector. It doesn't say only job shortages in highly specialized areas.

Because I actually read Swedish and read Swedish media? What is needed in construction is VVS-assemblers, glaziers, bricklayers and such things. None of which you can just jump into just because you feel like it. The education is at least 3 years for any of those. There's not enough people applying to study to become these things.

[Rennadrel]

According to the article, it's a population problem. Swedes aren't reproducing at the replacement rate hence the need for immigrants. Who are we to argue with the experts?

Do you have any idea why that is? People aren't breeding because having children has become too expensive, couples having more than 2 children is less popular. Now you know why minorities are living in poverty, because they breed like horny rabbits and don't understand that having more than one or two children costs too much.

[Corvus]

According to the article, it's a population problem. Swedes aren't reproducing at the replacement rate hence the need for immigrants. Who are we to argue with the experts?

If they aren't breeding enough, then demand for services will drop in time. And then there will be no need for bringing in people. Doing so just delays the problems a bit and in the long run makes them worse.

Importing people who are already trained and can do the job is all well and good if it comes from another western/first world nation. Invariably they don't come from there though - they come from poorer nation. In effect we are plundering them for their human resources to satisfy our own ways of life and not caring that we are leaving the nation these people came from much poorer for it. Worse, it means those nations aren't given a chance to develop and grow and just makes their poverty worse, as well as all those other issues such as crime, corruption and human rights issues.

Frankly, if the west was in anyway inclined to help poorer nations out, it would be encouraging these people to stay and build their nations up. Perhaps you should have words with Mr Trudeau and his ilk about his colonialist style plundering of poor nations. After all it is almost 2017...

[Teri]

Pretty sure Norway consistently keeps their unemployment under 4% and is definitely a model country.

Norway still has the luxury of acting alone and not by EU rule.

[Xanjori]

Norway still has the luxury of acting alone and not by EU rule.

Not sure what that's got to do with the price of chips, but sure.

[Deleted]

How about getting some Easter Europeans who are closer to you culturaly than uneducated, backwards muslims who fake their age?

[Xanjori]

How about getting some Easter Europeans who are closer to you culturaly than uneducated, backwards muslims who fake their age?

Because East Europeans cause most of the issues in Sweden? Especially with trafficking under age girls in to serve as sex workers.

[Teri]

Tons of Polish people filling construction jobs here in the Netherlands (5% unemployment)

[Tackhisis]

the clinic set the requirements at b2 for language requirements which meant that you should be able to understand every day speech, now for some reason the government has intervened and raised it to c1, which is a buttload of more requiring than b2.

That is too liberal.

B2 (intermediate) is a tourist/expat specialist level;
C1 (advanced) is a menial worker level, who is dealing with natives every day;
C2 is a professional level required for meaningful communication in medicine, understanding professional regulations, being able to attend training programs in one's field, etc.

And no, English only is not enough for doctors.