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    Exclamation British neo-Nazi group 'to be classed as terror organisation and banned'

    A British neo-Nazi group is expected to be labelled a terror organisation and banned in a landmark first for the UK.

    An order proscribing fascist group National Action is due to be laid before Parliament on Monday. It will be the first time membership of a far-right group has been outlawed in the UK.

    The self-styled “nationalist youth movement” has praised and glorified Thomas Mair, the white supremacist who murdered Labour MP Jo Cox in what a court described as a terrorism offence, and employs anti-Semitic language lifted direct from Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party.

    The group’s Yorkshire branch, which is believed to consist of about 100 fascists, also encourages ‘lone wolf activism’ on its website, a phrase which usually refers to acts of terrorism committed by individuals.

    Proscribing organisations is difficult because groups “often skirt around the law”, a senior government source told The Sunday Times. National Action, however, has been deemed to have “crossed the line and glorified terrorism”.

    One tweet by the group reportedly showed a picture of Mair with the message: “VoteLeave, don’t let this man’s sacrifice go in vain. Jo Cox would have filled Yorkshire with more subhumans!”

    Another read: “only 649 MPs to go.”


    The group has also altered its listing on Google to read: “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain!”, a slogan which echoes the phrase Mair said in court when asked to give his name soon after being charged with Ms Cox’s murder.

    Mair received a life sentence for the killing when he was convicted last month. The 53-year-old was revealed to have a Third Reich eagle monument, embellished with a swastika, and other Nazi paraphernalia in his bedroom, along with information on white supremacist neo-Nazi movements in the UK and abroad.

    The Yorkshire branch of National Action has been accused of seeking to incite the murder of Jewish people, tweeting a derogatory term used by the Nazis to describe Jews during the holocaust: “Tykes gassin K#kes is our motto, #Yorkshire needs you #AntiCommunism #ProNationalSocialism #DefendBritain."

    The groups Twitter account has now been suspended.

    National Action is not unique in the UK. The North West Infidels said on social media the group believes Ms Cox “got what she deserved” because of her liberal views and pro-EU stance and urged supporters to “fight extremism with extremism”.

    The British government appears to be taking the threat posed by the far-right more seriously than in the past, leading to speculation other groups could be banned in the near future.


    Speaking after Mair’s conviction, Home Secretary Amber Rudd said: “I am determined that we challenge extremism in all its forms, including the evil of far right extremism.”

    People at risk from far-right indoctrination now account for 25 per cent of all cases receiving help from Channel, the official scheme for those deemed likely to engage in violent extremism, The Times reported.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7468136.html


    Hopefully the first of many. Time for us to all wake up to this threat.

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    Not crazy about laws banning groups, but if you have them these people seem reasonable game.

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    Next up Antifa!

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    It will be the first time membership of a far-right group has been outlawed in the UK.
    Our Government has banned other groups before, mostly Islamic ones I believe. Basically we don't like extremists.

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    Seems logical. Now to Ban other racially motivated hate groups.

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    Groups proscribed by the UK Government as of July this year:

    ISLAMIST GROUPS

    Abdallah Azzam Brigades, including the Ziyad al-Jarrah Battalions (AAB)
    Abu Nidal Organisation (ANO)
    Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
    Ajnad Misr (Soldiers of Egypt)
    Al-Gama'at al-Islamiya (GI)
    Al Ghurabaa (Al Muhajiroun, Islam4UK, Call to Submission, Islamic Path, London School of Sharia,Muslims Against Crusades, Need4Khilafah, the Shariah Project and the Islamic Dawah Association)
    Al Ittihad Al Islamia (AIAI)
    Al Murabitun
    Al Qa’ida (AQ)
    Al Shabaab
    Ansar Al Islam (AI)
    Ansar al-Sharia-Benghazi (AAS-B) which translates as the Partisans of Islamic Law
    Ansar Al Sharia-Tunisia (AAS-T)
    Ansar Al Sunna (AS)
    Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis (ABM)
    Ansarul Muslimina Fi Biladis Sudan (Vanguard for the protection of Muslims in Black Africa) (Ansaru)
    Armed Islamic Group (Groupe Islamique Armée) (GIA)
    Boko Haram (Jama’atu Ahli Sunna Lidda Awati Wal Jihad) (BH)
    Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ)
    Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF) including GIMF Banlga Team (also known as Ansarullah Bangla Team (ABT) and Ansar-al Islam)
    Groupe Islamique Combattant Marocain (GICM)
    Hamas Izz al-Din al-Qassem Brigades
    Harakat-Ul-Jihad-Ul-Islami (HUJI)
    Harakat-Ul-Jihad-Ul-Islami (Bangladesh) (HUJI-B)
    Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen/Alami (HuM/A) and Jundallah
    Harakat Mujahideen (HM)
    Haqqani Network (HQN)
    Hizballah Military Wing
    Hezb-E Islami Gulbuddin (HIG)
    Imarat Kavkaz (IK) (also known as the Caucasus Emirate)
    Indian Mujahideen (IM)
    Islamic Army of Aden (IAA)
    Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)
    Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
    Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) also known as Dawlat al-'Iraq al-Islamiyya, Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and Dawlat al Islamiya fi Iraq wa al Sham (DAISh) and the Islamic State in Iraq and Sham
    Jaish e Mohammed (JeM) and splinter group Khuddam Ul-Islam (Kul)
    Jamaah Anshorut Daulah
    Jamaat ul-Ahrar (JuA)
    Jammat-ul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB)
    Jamaat Ul-Furquan (JuF)
    Jaysh al Khalifatu Islamiya (JKI) which translates as the Army of the Islamic Caliphate
    Jeemah Islamiyah (JI)
    Jund al-Aqsa (JAA) which translates as “Soldiers of al-Aqsa”
    Jund al Khalifa-Algeria (JaK-A) which translates as Soldiers of the Caliphate
    Kateeba al-Kawthar (KaK) also known as ‘Ajnad al-sham’ and ‘Junud ar-Rahman al Muhajireen’
    Lashkar e Tayyaba (LT)
    Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
    Minbar Ansar Deen (also known as Ansar al-Sharia UK)
    Mujahidin Indonesia Timur (MIT) which translates as Mujahideen of Eastern Indonesia
    Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Shaqaqi (PIJ)
    Salafist Group for Call and Combat (Groupe Salafiste pour la Predication et le Combat) (GSPC)
    Saved Sect or Saviour Sect
    Sipah-e Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) (Aka Millat-e Islami Pakistan (MIP)
    Tehrik Nefaz-e Shari'at Muhammadi (TNSM)
    Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP)
    Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP) also known as East Turkestan Islamic Party (ETIP), East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) and Hizb al-Islami al-Turkistani (HAAT)


    FAR LEFT GROUPS

    17 November Revolutionary Organisation (N17)
    Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)
    Revolutionary Peoples' Liberation Party - Front (Devrimci Halk Kurtulus Partisi - Cephesi) (DHKP-C)
    Turkiye Halk Kurtulus Partisi-Cephesi (THKP-C) is also known as the Peoples’ Liberation Party/Front of Turkey, THKP-C Acilciler and the Hasty Ones


    NATIONALIST SEPARATIST GROUPS

    Partiya Karkeren Kurdistani (PKK) which translates as the Kurdistan Worker’s Party - Kurdish separatist
    Teyre Azadiye Kurdistan (TAK) - Kurdish separatist
    Basque Homeland and Liberty (Euskadi ta Askatasuna) (ETA) - Basque separatist
    Baluchistan Liberation Army (BLA) - Baluchistan separatist
    Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) - Tamil separatist


    SIKH EXTREMISTS

    Babbar Khalsa (BK)


    NORTHERN IRELAND GROUPS (BOTH SIDES OF CONFLICT)

    Continuity Army Council
    Cumann na mBan
    Fianna na hEireann
    Irish National Liberation Army
    Irish People's Liberation Organisation
    Irish Republican Army
    Loyalist Volunteer Force
    Orange Volunteers
    Red Hand Commando
    Red Hand Defenders
    Saor Eire
    Ulster Defence Association
    Ulster Freedom Fighters
    Ulster Volunteer Force


    So now there will be as many far right groups as there are Sikh extremist groups on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Groups proscribed by the UK Government as of July this year:

    ISLAMIST GROUPS

    Abdallah Azzam Brigades, including the Ziyad al-Jarrah Battalions (AAB)
    Abu Nidal Organisation (ANO)
    Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
    Ajnad Misr (Soldiers of Egypt)
    Al-Gama'at al-Islamiya (GI)
    Al Ghurabaa (Al Muhajiroun, Islam4UK, Call to Submission, Islamic Path, London School of Sharia,Muslims Against Crusades, Need4Khilafah, the Shariah Project and the Islamic Dawah Association)
    Al Ittihad Al Islamia (AIAI)
    Al Murabitun
    Al Qa’ida (AQ)
    Al Shabaab
    Ansar Al Islam (AI)
    Ansar al-Sharia-Benghazi (AAS-B) which translates as the Partisans of Islamic Law
    Ansar Al Sharia-Tunisia (AAS-T)
    Ansar Al Sunna (AS)
    Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis (ABM)
    Ansarul Muslimina Fi Biladis Sudan (Vanguard for the protection of Muslims in Black Africa) (Ansaru)
    Armed Islamic Group (Groupe Islamique Armée) (GIA)
    Boko Haram (Jama’atu Ahli Sunna Lidda Awati Wal Jihad) (BH)
    Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ)
    Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF) including GIMF Banlga Team (also known as Ansarullah Bangla Team (ABT) and Ansar-al Islam)
    Groupe Islamique Combattant Marocain (GICM)
    Hamas Izz al-Din al-Qassem Brigades
    Harakat-Ul-Jihad-Ul-Islami (HUJI)
    Harakat-Ul-Jihad-Ul-Islami (Bangladesh) (HUJI-B)
    Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen/Alami (HuM/A) and Jundallah
    Harakat Mujahideen (HM)
    Haqqani Network (HQN)
    Hizballah Military Wing
    Hezb-E Islami Gulbuddin (HIG)
    Imarat Kavkaz (IK) (also known as the Caucasus Emirate)
    Indian Mujahideen (IM)
    Islamic Army of Aden (IAA)
    Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)
    Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
    Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) also known as Dawlat al-'Iraq al-Islamiyya, Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and Dawlat al Islamiya fi Iraq wa al Sham (DAISh) and the Islamic State in Iraq and Sham
    Jaish e Mohammed (JeM) and splinter group Khuddam Ul-Islam (Kul)
    Jamaah Anshorut Daulah
    Jamaat ul-Ahrar (JuA)
    Jammat-ul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB)
    Jamaat Ul-Furquan (JuF)
    Jaysh al Khalifatu Islamiya (JKI) which translates as the Army of the Islamic Caliphate
    Jeemah Islamiyah (JI)
    Jund al-Aqsa (JAA) which translates as “Soldiers of al-Aqsa”
    Jund al Khalifa-Algeria (JaK-A) which translates as Soldiers of the Caliphate
    Kateeba al-Kawthar (KaK) also known as ‘Ajnad al-sham’ and ‘Junud ar-Rahman al Muhajireen’
    Lashkar e Tayyaba (LT)
    Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
    Minbar Ansar Deen (also known as Ansar al-Sharia UK)
    Mujahidin Indonesia Timur (MIT) which translates as Mujahideen of Eastern Indonesia
    Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Shaqaqi (PIJ)
    Salafist Group for Call and Combat (Groupe Salafiste pour la Predication et le Combat) (GSPC)
    Saved Sect or Saviour Sect
    Sipah-e Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) (Aka Millat-e Islami Pakistan (MIP)
    Tehrik Nefaz-e Shari'at Muhammadi (TNSM)
    Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP)
    Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP) also known as East Turkestan Islamic Party (ETIP), East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) and Hizb al-Islami al-Turkistani (HAAT)


    FAR LEFT GROUPS

    17 November Revolutionary Organisation (N17)
    Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)
    Revolutionary Peoples' Liberation Party - Front (Devrimci Halk Kurtulus Partisi - Cephesi) (DHKP-C)
    Turkiye Halk Kurtulus Partisi-Cephesi (THKP-C) is also known as the Peoples’ Liberation Party/Front of Turkey, THKP-C Acilciler and the Hasty Ones


    NATIONALIST SEPARATIST GROUPS

    Partiya Karkeren Kurdistani (PKK) which translates as the Kurdistan Worker’s Party - Kurdish separatist
    Teyre Azadiye Kurdistan (TAK) - Kurdish separatist
    Basque Homeland and Liberty (Euskadi ta Askatasuna) (ETA) - Basque separatist
    Baluchistan Liberation Army (BLA) - Baluchistan separatist
    Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) - Tamil separatist


    SIKH EXTREMISTS

    Babbar Khalsa (BK)


    NORTHERN IRELAND GROUPS (BOTH SIDES OF CONFLICT)

    Continuity Army Council
    Cumann na mBan
    Fianna na hEireann
    Irish National Liberation Army
    Irish People's Liberation Organisation
    Irish Republican Army
    Loyalist Volunteer Force
    Orange Volunteers
    Red Hand Commando
    Red Hand Defenders
    Saor Eire
    Ulster Defence Association
    Ulster Freedom Fighters
    Ulster Volunteer Force


    So now there will be as many far right groups as there are Sikh extremist groups on the list.

    Islamist groups are as far right as you can get so what exactly are you peddling here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spawny View Post
    Islamist groups are as far right as you can get so what exactly are you peddling here?
    Yet Islamists are almost exclusively defended by the left in the West.

    Alternatively, religious extremists do not really fit into commonly understood definitions of left & right (at least those in Britain, the Independent being British gave an example of this in their article, which I mentioned in post #4), so the religious nutjobs get their own groups.

    Also some of the groups I placed in the non-far left categories are actually far left, including some of the Islamist ones, but I didn't want to make it confusing, which means that they would be both far right and far left if what you stated is accurate.


    The reason for my post was to provide context of the article in the OP by showing that, as far as the UK Government is concerned, Muslim groups present by far the greatest threat.

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    Yet Islamists are almost exclusively defended by the left in the West.
    Who are these insane people on the left that support Islamists? Muslims yes but islamists? Hell no

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    This seems kinda bs...

    They are banning them based on the actions of a single person who wasn't a member.

    I also find it ironic people are against other people peacefully forming their own political groups. Especially the ones here who promote that when its on a subject or ideal they agree with.

    Everyone should be able to peacefully assemble and present their political ideas without being harassed or oppressed by the government.

    For you current year kids. This is what actual oppression looks like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    This seems kinda bs...

    They are banning them based on the actions of a single person who wasn't a member.

    I also find it ironic people are against other people peacefully forming their own political groups. Especially the ones here who promote that when its on a subject or ideal they agree with.

    Everyone should be able to peacefully assemble and present their political ideas without being harassed or oppressed by the government.

    For you current year kids. This is what actual oppression looks like.
    Whilst he may not have been a member the group have been praising Mair for murdering Jo Cox, as well as calling for the gassing of Jews. We consider that to be closer to "endorsing terrorism" than "peaceful assembly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Whilst he may not have been a member the group have been praising Mair for murdering Jo Cox, as well as calling for the gassing of Jews. We consider that to be closer to "endorsing terrorism" than "peaceful assembly."
    Have they openly stated they wish to gas jews?

    As for jo cox. If we banned every political group who was glad someone died their wouldn't be any left.

    I admit though I am not overly familiar with British law. I assume you have something similar to peaceful assembly no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    Groups proscribed by the UK Government as of July this year:



    So now there will be as many far right groups as there are Sikh extremist groups on the list.
    where did you find that list out of curiosity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    This seems kinda bs...

    They are banning them based on the actions of a single person who wasn't a member.

    I also find it ironic people are against other people peacefully forming their own political groups. Especially the ones here who promote that when its on a subject or ideal they agree with.

    Everyone should be able to peacefully assemble and present their political ideas without being harassed or oppressed by the government.

    For you current year kids. This is what actual oppression looks like.
    One tweet by the group reportedly showed a picture of Mair with the message: “VoteLeave, don’t let this man’s sacrifice go in vain. Jo Cox would have filled Yorkshire with more subhumans!”

    Another read: “only 649 MPs to go.”
    shitpost somewhere else please

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofi View Post
    Who are these insane people on the left that support Islamists? Muslims yes but islamists? Hell no
    There has been support for Hamas from British left wingers.

    The Labour Party aligned themselves with identity politics and ended up with some top drawer anti-Semites amongst their ranks, probably an inevitible consequence of welcoming people based on their demographic group and not their politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    Have they openly stated they wish to gas jews?

    As for jo cox. If we banned every political group who was glad someone died their wouldn't be any left.

    I admit though I am not overly familiar with British law. I assume you have something similar to peaceful assembly no?
    From the OP-

    “only 649 MPs to go.”
    “VoteLeave, don’t let this man’s sacrifice go in vain. Jo Cox would have filled Yorkshire with more subhumans!”
    “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain!”,

    “Tykes gassin K#kes is our motto, #Yorkshire needs you #AntiCommunism #ProNationalSocialism #DefendBritain."

    If an Islamist or Irish Republican/Unionist group had posted similar things supporting terrorist acts they would likely have suffered the same fate, as shown by the massive list of banned groups earlier in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenka View Post
    where did you find that list out of curiosity?
    The pdf with them all is here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    The pdf with them all is here.
    thanks!!..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    There has been support for Hamas from British left wingers.

    The Labour Party aligned themselves with identity politics and ended up with some top drawer anti-Semites amongst their ranks, probably an inevitible consequence of welcoming people based on their demographic group and not their politics.
    The trouble with Hamas is it has a militant wing and one that deals with governing and supporting the Palestinian people. It's possible to support parts of their work whilst condemning their war-crimes and terrorist attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    The trouble with Hamas is it has a militant wing and one that deals with governing and supporting the Palestinian people. It's possible to support parts of their work whilst condemning their war-crimes and terrorist attacks.
    That was about the left supporting Islamists, which Hamas is, not support for terrorism. Not all Islamists are terrorists.

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