People say that Communism doesn't Work..

[nanook12]

Two can play that game.

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I agreed that communism isn't completely communism.

But that wasn't your initial assertion which is that "Communism works because China works", but as you yourself have established China isn't Communism, ergo they can't be used an example of Communism working.

If I had to choose a system for myself along the gradient of capitalism to communism, I would choose primarily communism with capitalism components. I am generally more about the collectivism than the individualism. Stronger together than apart. I feel the USA is primarily capitalism with communism components. Not a good fit for me.

So move to China?

[PC2]

Two can play that game.

With no national government these guys look more like communists than the Chinese.

[Derpleton]

[Chrysia]

We have examples in the world that capitalism works, we don't have examples in the world that communism works. So yeah...

And China has a capitalist economy, but uses the communism as political regime to keep its oppressive machine working. After all, oppression is the only thing that can succeed in a communist country.

Not really. We have real world examples that mixed economies work. Pure capitalist societies tend to get very violent and very unequal.

[Tsar Bomba]

Hong Kong per capita GDP $42,295
China per capita GDP $8,141

Clearly Hong Kong needs to tighten controls on their free market and embrace communist ideology.

[nanook12]

yet the poor here are still better off here then most of the rest of the world

Yes, because I compare myself to poor folk in Ethiopia every day of my life. It is not like vast swaths of commercials and advertisements are everywhere in American society constantly reminding you what you don't have compared to other wealthier Americans.

[igualitarist]

Two can play that game.

A country in an endless war is not a fertile ground for capitalism, you know...
Who the hell would invest in a country where there's no safety for investiments ?

So no, Somalia is not an example of a capitalist country. It's a exaple of what war cause to countries...

[Deleted]

Yes, because I compare myself to poor folk in Ethiopia every day of my life. It is not like vast swaths of commercials and advertisements are everywhere in American society constantly reminding you what you don't have compared to other wealthier Americans.

Do you think this is unique to American society?

[Gambit5555]

I agreed that communism isn't completely communism. If I had to choose a system for myself along the gradient of capitalism to communism, I would choose primarily communism with capitalism components. I am generally more about the collectivism than the individualism. Stronger together than apart. I feel the USA is primarily capitalism with communism components. Not a good fit for me.

Then please by all means, go forth. Be with your own people. Don't let the man and the bonds of capitalism hold you back.....

[Anevers]

As far as I am aware there has been no true communist countries...ever. Only in name, they are some oddball mashup of some form of dictatorship and socialism.

[want my Slimjim]

And they're right. They don't work. Communism exists only exists because capitalism allows it. While on the other hand capitalism does work. Has been for hundreds of years.

[shrunken]

Then there is China

China was basically allowed to join the second half of the 20th century by the US in the mid-90's. They had to be enabled.

[Chrysia]

And they're right. They don't work. Communism exists only exists because capitalism allows it. While on the other hand capitalism does work. Has been for hundreds of years.

This really depends on your definition of "works." Purely capitalistic societies, which there haven't been many of, tend to breed violence and severe inequality just as much as Communistic ones do. Mixed economies work.

[Endus]

Not pure capitalism. Only forms of mixed economies.

And, just to be clear, that "mix" is capitalism plus socialism.

"Socialism" includes horrible stuff like "co-operatives" and "credit unions" and "union-owned factories". Heinous, I know.

[nanook12]

A country in an endless war is not a fertile ground for capitalism, you know...
Who the hell would invest in a country where there's no safety for investiments ?

So no, Somalia is not an example of a capitalist country. It's a exaple of what war cause to countries...

Just like North Korea is not a good example of communism.

[Deleted]

Just like North Korea is not a good example of communism.

I'd love to hear what you think a good example of Communism is.

Excluding China, because it isn't a communist country.

[want my Slimjim]

Not pure capitalism. Only forms of mixed economies.

Only when it's a ratio of capitalism70/30socialist

[nanook12]

And, just to be clear, that "mix" is capitalism plus socialism.

"Socialism" includes horrible stuff like "co-operatives" and "credit unions" and "union-owned factories". Heinous, I know.

Jesus lord I actually agree with you. I am disgusted with myself.

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Only when it's a ratio of capitalism70/30socialist

Except China is doing it 70% socialist/30% capitalist. That is kinda the point of the whole thread.

[want my Slimjim]

Jesus lord I actually agree with you. I am disgusted with myself.

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Except China is doing it 70% socialist/30% capitalist. That is kinda the point of the whole thread.

And it's doomed to fail