Leaving for Las Vegas: California's minimum wage law leaves businesses no choice

[Katchii]

I think you should not be so hyper-focused on every single job. For example, there are going to be SOME people whenever there are income increases that decide they can get by with one less breadwinner in the family, and there are always going to be SOME people who say "Well, now I can take a part time job and go to school instead of working full time." To put it simply: We can't gauge economic policy by whether it hurts ANYONE. Any economic policy is going to hurt SOMEONE. Keeping the minimum wage this low hurts some people, so inaction is not without consequence.

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Most small businesses, depending on the metric you use, don't have labor as a substantial cost of operation.

I'm aware, I already stated I understand that this is overall good for the economy and that raising the wage is necessary (and overdue). But it's not going to fix everything overnight and it's going to hurt some people, some more and/or longer than others...collateral damage basically. And the collateral damage, while acceptable, shouldn't just be written off and forgotten.

[Captain N]

I'm aware, I already stated I understand that this is overall good for the economy and that raising the wage is necessary (and overdue). But it's not going to fix everything overnight and it's going to hurt some people, some more and/or longer than others...collateral damage basically. And the collateral damage, while acceptable, shouldn't just be written off and forgotten.

But this collateral damage goes back to what I said to you initially about people who lose their jobs and need something to pay the bills. The low wage worker now can find nearly any job and make a basic living before the total effects of heightened demand and more goods are purchased and new jobs are created. Some people will get hurt obviously -- but it becomes more a temporary issue than the long-term issues people have now when they end up out of work.

[Katchii]

But this collateral damage goes back to what I said to you initially about people who lose their jobs and need something to pay the bills. The low wage worker now can find nearly any job and make a basic living before the total effects of heightened demand and more goods are purchased and new jobs are created. Some people will get hurt obviously -- but it becomes more a temporary issue than the long-term issues people have now when they end up out of work.

I'm honestly not convinced, my experience in the workplace, in my area, and for my family personally has shown that when a business reduces the workforce in order to "do more with less" they will do so for as long as possible, if not permanently and it's not just one business it's several. Are you trying to say that every person who loses their job initially will get a new job within a short amount of time? I'm sorry but my personal experience is that that just doesn't happen. And the longer someone is without work, the more difficult it is for them to find a new one because employers don't like seeing huge gaps in employment unless it's for school or something universally accepted as "productive" or for personal growth. And the longer someone goes without working the less likely it is that they'll be able to even move to a location that has job openings that they CAN get.

As I stated, raising the minimum wage will have a net overall positive effect on the economy but a small portion of the population gets fucked over when it happens because that's just how the world works.

This is looking at an individual and their specific situation, not on pure numbers. If 100 people lost their job and then 6 months later 100 people got hired because of the increase in demand, or even 150 people got hired... that doesn't automatically translate into the 100 original people who lost their job now having a job. Teenagers become eligible for employment, other businesses lay off for a totally different reason for the wage increase, or people move into the area (Spouse gets a job, their partner and/ or kids need jobs etc....), or what I've seen more often in the area I've lived in is that businesses lay off and those people move in with friends and or family in another town which increases the pool of people who are looking for employment in that area.

In these situations, I highly doubt that the person/ people who get left high and dry are looking at their unemployment as "oh well, at least the economy will eventually get better."

[oxymoronic]

since this my last post i want to point i was right and you nerd fucks were wrong

cya bitches


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[Vargur]

LA Times wants me to white list the site to look at the article so I can't cut and paste it. Minimum wage is increasing in California to $10.50 an hour from $7.25. Many business are moving out of state, some to neighboring Nevada where minimum wage is still at $7.25.

Some cities in California went even further raising minimum wage to $15 but I think that wage doesn't kick in until 10 years from now or something.

As a citizen of Nevada I welcome poor working people to my state. Don't go in the casinos even if they promise you free food.





https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/6bcd51a...-vegas%3A.html

California’s minimum wage jumped to $10.50 an hour at the start of the new year. As the founder of a small fashion design house and clothing manufacturer in San Fernando, I’m not a disinterested observer in this change.

After two years in business, my company now has more than 150 clients from all over the world and 18 employees. It’s what’s known as a cut-and-sew house, part of the garment industry that generates about $17 billion in annual economic activity in Los Angeles County, including $6.9 billion in payroll, according to a 2016 industry report by the California Fashion Assn. This is the epicenter of apparel design and manufacturing in the United States; domestically manufactured clothing is more expensive, but retail and wholesale customers who care about quality and working conditions have historically been willing to pay for it. Los Angeles County used to have more than 5,000 apparel factories; today, my company is one of roughly 2,000 — and many (e.g. American Apparel) are looking for a way out.

So fire 6 people, decrease the work hours to 6 and increase the productivity by 20%.

[Wyrt]

Not all business owners are the stereotypical monopoly man CEO. Most small business owners, at least for the first 5 years are lucky to break 75k

There needs to be some way to protect workers from being exploited. It's either done through the minimum wage, which needs to be raised, or it needs to be done through unions.

But I assume you don't like either of those options since conservatives seem to hate working people.

[Theinquisition]

There needs to be some way to protect workers from being exploited. It's either done through the minimum wage, which needs to be raised, or it needs to be done through unions.

But I assume you don't like either of those options since conservatives seem to hate working people.

I have no problems wirh private unions, as long as the business is no way subsidized by the government

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If that is what causes you to move state with your business, you are either a greedy fuck who doesn´t give a shit about his employees or you have a shitty business model.