lol @ blizz about bm 4 set

[JoshuaNLG]

So we don't take that talent.
There are all sorts of "must take" and "never take" in all the talent trees, they'll never ever get things balanced well enough to stop that. 1 stupid talent isn't enough to be worth them messing it up AGAIN. This is better.

Then they should remove dire frenzy and replace it with something else, a talent shouldn't exist that will never be taken because it'll just flat out not work with a set bonus once you get it.

[Firebyrd]

Then they should remove dire frenzy and replace it with something else, a talent shouldn't exist that will never be taken because it'll just flat out not work with a set bonus once you get it.

You have to wonder if they're making it bad on purpose because they didn't like the outcry about people not wanting to be zookeepers. "Fine, you can emphasize your real pet, but we'll make it so bad you won't actually ever do so. Then we can remove it because no one ever took it and say no one wanted it!"

[Hiricine]

Then they should remove dire frenzy and replace it with something else, a talent shouldn't exist that will never be taken because it'll just flat out not work with a set bonus once you get it.

Agree so hard.

Or really would it be so bad if Dire Frenzy didn't replace Dire beast to begin with? It sucks bad enough as it is, they could just make it an added effect to dire beast instead.

[Tharkkun]

There's other uses for the talent outside of a 2 piece bonus where it's viable. PVP for example. The talent tree doesn't solely exist for PVE.

[Vellithe]

There's other uses for the talent outside of a 2 piece bonus where it's viable. PVP for example. The talent tree doesn't solely exist for PVE.

The tier set, however, does exist solely for PvE and it's not appropriate for it to simply not work at all if a certain talent is picked.

This is clearly an oversight, and not something that was intended. I hope they fix it.

[Pivotpony]

There's other uses for the talent outside of a 2 piece bonus where it's viable. PVP for example. The talent tree doesn't solely exist for PVE.

I disagree, since we now have a purely for PvP talent tree.

[Tharkkun]

The tier set, however, does exist solely for PvE and it's not appropriate for it to simply not work at all if a certain talent is picked.

This is clearly an oversight, and not something that was intended. I hope they fix it.

Or maybe combined with Dire Beast being the best talent outside of Tier it would be out balanced? The current simc ran yesterday shows it using DF even with 4 piece being top over Stomp and Dire Beast.

[Vellithe]

Or maybe combined with Dire Beast being the best talent outside of Tier it would be out balanced? The current simc ran yesterday shows it using DF even with 4 piece being top over Stomp and Dire Beast.

So you're saying it's bad design? I agree. If it's impossible to balance it out, it'd be best to scrap it and make a whole new effect.

Either way, some talents ending up being better in some cases is inevitable. If Dire Frenzy is too good, it needs to be nerfed. There's nothing specially wrong with Dire Frenzy being the best choice, just like there was not specially wrong with Stomp being the best choice, though it was not ideal for Stomp to be the best choice in literally every circumstance, it was still kind of alright.

[Tharkkun]

So you're saying it's bad design? I agree. If it's impossible to balance it out, it'd be best to scrap it and make a whole new effect.

Either way, some talents ending up being better in some cases is inevitable. If Dire Frenzy is too good, it needs to be nerfed. There's nothing specially wrong with Dire Frenzy being the best choice, just like there was not specially wrong with Stomp being the best choice, though it was not ideal for Stomp to be the best choice in literally every circumstance, it was still kind of alright.

Not really. It gives you choice. If your talent choices never budged based on situations, gear or fights then I would agree. Right now it's simming a 6k difference using CS with tier, 8k difference using DF with Dire Beast being top. Without tier Dire Frenzy is above Dire Beast by about 2k and CS by 7k. So you can still use it without destroying your DPS.

[SeagullMD]

BM 2pc and 4pc were swapped

2pc is now the 4pc, 4pc is now the 2pc.