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    As much as I am a fan of the fact that we might be getting a legit WoW Rogue in the game, I wouldn't mind if Blizzard would throttle the churning of Warcraft-Assassin Heroes for a little bit, then come back this way, just for variety's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solonar View Post
    I won't complain that they add Valeera as a hero, Blood Elves being my favourite race in Warcraft's story. I am, however, annoyed by 5 Warcraft heroes being released in a row, four of them being assassins and one being either warrior or again, assassin.

    Since I've played through all of Blizzard's games and read through probably over a few dozen wiki pages for where I wanted to know lore about them, I can also easily pick heroes from those game-universes to put into HotS. The other ones need some love too, really. Especially since the last non-Warcraft heroes we got were Zarya and Alarak, both being before Samuro - so quite a while back too.

    Diablo:
    • Baal
    • Mephisto
    • Belial
    • Andariel
    • Duriel
    • Belial
    • Imperius
    • Malthael
    • Ithereal
    • Maghda
    • Tal'Rasha
    • Zoltan Kulle

    And this is just a small list of what Diablo can offer.

    Starcraft:
    • Fenix (Normal or Mechanical)
    • Vorazun
    • Phasesmith Karax
    • Selendis
    • Alexei Stukov
    • Gabriel Tosh
    • General Warfield
    • Rory Swann
    • Narud

    The list for Starcraft is naturally shorter, due to it being difficult to place certain characters like Matt Horner, Arcturus and Valerian Mengsk and several others - at least in terms of what abilities you'd give them. Like they did for Lt. Morales and Sgt. Hammer, however, they could pick from any of the SC2 units, make one named and give it some neat-o stuff. Sgt. Hammer was implemented in HotS first before she became a thing in SC2 for the Co-Op missions. Same for Brightwing and Lunara before they appeared in WoW.

    Overwatch:
    Almost every hero is game here. Some might be difficult (like Mercy/Pharah) but there are plenty that can be introduced.

    This is my main gripe, yeah, I love Warcraft but I also love all the other franchises, I know full well that Warcraft has the biggest poll of named characters, but we could at least have a Diablo/Starcraft hero every two/three Warcraft ones for variety's sake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regnant View Post
    This is my main gripe, yeah, I love Warcraft but I also love all the other franchises, I know full well that Warcraft has the biggest poll of named characters, but we could at least have a Diablo/Starcraft hero every two/three Warcraft ones for variety's sake
    Exactly. Nobody is saying "we have to have the same number of Diablo and SC heroes as we do WC heroes!" we're just saying, mix it up a bit. Yes, there's more lore characters from WoW than the other games, but there ARE still plenty of characters from those other games we can use, so throw one of them in every 3 or so heroes, rather than smack us with 5 WC heroes in a row, especially when all 5 of those are assassins. Can we get a new warrior or support, maybe?

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    That's pretty neat as she's been an elusive WoW character for a long while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RH92 View Post
    Oh, fuck no!

    Where are all the cool Diablo, Starcraft and Diablo Heroes? Are they really going to blow up all the interesting ideas on Warcraft Heroes?

    Also if they are going to feed us with Warcraft Heroes, I rather see other races than another obnoxious Elf.
    to be fair, diablo has less interesting heroes than warcraft... other than the classes and the angiris council/demon lords there aren't too many to pick, and they're not gonna do them all at once

    starcraft has a ton of cool heroes already
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightofdawn View Post
    other than the classes and the angiris council/demon lords there aren't too many to pick, and they're not gonna do them all at once
    There's a big, huge difference between asking them to do them "all at once"(hint:not one single person has asked for this) vs asking them to do one more often than once every 6 heroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightofdawn View Post
    to be fair, diablo has less interesting heroes than warcraft... other than the classes and the angiris council/demon lords there aren't too many to pick, and they're not gonna do them all at once

    starcraft has a ton of cool heroes already
    Nobody said they want equal number of Heroes from each franchise. I just don't want to see 5 Heroes from Wacraft in a row.

    Also another Assassin is not what we need, we are in dire need of Warrior capable of being solo tank as we only have only two real candidates with Johanna being the safe option once E.T.C. or Muradin is banned/picked and Tyrael being niche Warrior in dive composition.

    Or as I said, if they want to keep releasing Warcraft Heroes, give us Draenei, Naga, Titanic creation, some Demon or Old God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH92 View Post
    Nobody said they want equal number of Heroes from each franchise. I just don't want to see 5 Heroes from Wacraft in a row.

    Also another Assassin is not what we need, we are in dire need of Warrior capable of being solo tank as we only have only two real candidates with Johanna being the safe option once E.T.C. or Muradin is banned/picked and Tyrael being niche Warrior in dive composition.

    Or as I said, if they want to keep releasing Warcraft Heroes, give us Draenei, Naga, Titanic creation, some Demon or Old God.
    Yeh i completely agree with this, we also havent hada specialist in a very long time which is sad to see. I know its hard to make a specialist be different from an assassin, as Xul and Nazeebo could really fit into both. Thing is quite a few other tanks can solo aslong as they have a strong frontline to support them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH92 View Post
    Nobody said they want equal number of Heroes from each franchise. I just don't want to see 5 Heroes from Wacraft in a row.

    Also another Assassin is not what we need, we are in dire need of Warrior capable of being solo tank as we only have only two real candidates with Johanna being the safe option once E.T.C. or Muradin is banned/picked and Tyrael being niche Warrior in dive composition.

    Or as I said, if they want to keep releasing Warcraft Heroes, give us Draenei, Naga, Titanic creation, some Demon or Old God.
    I actually wouldn't mind some decent support or specialist, since it was some time when both of them was released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormcall View Post
    Exactly. Nobody is saying "we have to have the same number of Diablo and SC heroes as we do WC heroes!" we're just saying, mix it up a bit. Yes, there's more lore characters from WoW than the other games, but there ARE still plenty of characters from those other games we can use, so throw one of them in every 3 or so heroes, rather than smack us with 5 WC heroes in a row, especially when all 5 of those are assassins. Can we get a new warrior or support, maybe?
    What annoys me aswell are the insignificant characters from WC that we get. Rehgar and Valeera being great examples, though Valeera is more noteable because of hearthstone, I guess. Samuro/ETC and Stitches being another 3 heroes that are just fun/nostalgia. Characters like Lunara and Brightwing are kinda seperate from this because of how unique they are compared to anything else, I suppose Stitches could fall into this category aswell. And yeah, spread things out a bit, we got Gul'dan, Auriel, Alarak, Zarya and Samuro, in that order. Why not mix in some WC heroes there instead of pushing it all out in one go.

    Quote Originally Posted by DesoPL View Post
    I actually wouldn't mind some decent support or specialist, since it was some time when both of them was released.
    Yeah, a year and a half since release and we got 3 supports and 2 specialists, 1 of them being Medhiv... xD Would definitly like some more variance there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesoPL View Post
    I actually wouldn't mind some decent support or specialist, since it was some time when both of them was released.
    I still think the variety in supports is decent, you don't really feel like you must get one of few to not feel screwed.

    Malfurion, Rehgar, Auriel and Brightwing are all in decent spot, while Kharazim or Medic can be really good under specific circumstances. Tassadar, Tyrande and Li Li are already good enough as secondary supports, I think we can also count Medivh and maybe Zarya. Only Uther is somewhat not good at anything specific right now, but I wouldn't say having him as solo Support is massive disadvantage as having solo Tyrande for example.

    Now look at Warriors, last released Warrior capable of being solo Warrior is Johanna (June 2, 2015). Yes, we had a ton of Warriors released, but Leoric, Rexxar, Artanis, Dehaka, Zarya and Protection Varian are just inferior solo Tanks. Older Warriors like Arthas, Sonya, Chen and Anub'arak are again better as secondary Warriors. Then you have Cho'gall, Stitches and Tyrael who are rather niche picks and require strong team coordination, but can be solo Tanks. This leaves you with Muradin, E.T.C., Johanna and maybe Diablo who isn't as safe as the other three, but can at least get worthy trades thanks to his trait unlike all other Warriors.

    Definitely not saying we don't need a new Support. I just think game in current state needs a new solo Warrior more than any other role. Sure I would love to see new Supports, pure utility Heroes like Medivh or weird playstyles like Abathur. However I believe their releases would not bring much into game because solo Tanks are foundation of your team.

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    This orc shadow looks for me like Grom Hellscream though, but i might be wrong.
    I know i've seen the source photo of that orc before but I'm having a hard time finding it....

    IF IT IS Grom, then he looks to be based on a more WC2 style as he has a ponytail here but doesn't have the longer hair elsewhere that he had in WC3 onward.

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    Looks more like Thrall in Lord of the Clans
    I was actually thinking this as well. I could swear I've seen this thrall in that pose before...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesoPL View Post
    This orc shadow looks for me like Grom Hellscream though, but i might be wrong.
    Pretty sure it's just a generic orc, from some old vanilla Wow artwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RH92 View Post
    I still think the variety in supports is decent, you don't really feel like you must get one of few to not feel screwed.

    Malfurion, Rehgar, Auriel and Brightwing are all in decent spot, while Kharazim or Medic can be really good under specific circumstances. Tassadar, Tyrande and Li Li are already good enough as secondary supports, I think we can also count Medivh and maybe Zarya. Only Uther is somewhat not good at anything specific right now, but I wouldn't say having him as solo Support is massive disadvantage as having solo Tyrande for example.

    Now look at Warriors, last released Warrior capable of being solo Warrior is Johanna (June 2, 2015). Yes, we had a ton of Warriors released, but Leoric, Rexxar, Artanis, Dehaka, Zarya and Protection Varian are just inferior solo Tanks. Older Warriors like Arthas, Sonya, Chen and Anub'arak are again better as secondary Warriors. Then you have Cho'gall, Stitches and Tyrael who are rather niche picks and require strong team coordination, but can be solo Tanks. This leaves you with Muradin, E.T.C., Johanna and maybe Diablo who isn't as safe as the other three, but can at least get worthy trades thanks to his trait unlike all other Warriors.

    Definitely not saying we don't need a new Support. I just think game in current state needs a new solo Warrior more than any other role. Sure I would love to see new Supports, pure utility Heroes like Medivh or weird playstyles like Abathur. However I believe their releases would not bring much into game because solo Tanks are foundation of your team.
    Kinda to be honest, i would love see Stukov as specialist with option summoning Apocalisk. (That one variant of Ultralisk what he got in SC2 CO-OP) or Alexander. Apocalisk for brushing the line, while Alexander for team fights, spawning explosive infested terrans so slows the enemy right?

    As for warrior, give me Carine Bloodhoof or Imperius, most wanted at least for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesoPL View Post
    Kinda to be honest, i would love see Stukov as specialist with option summoning Apocalisk. (That one variant of Ultralisk what he got in SC2 CO-OP) or Alexander. Apocalisk for brushing the line, while Alexander for team fights, spawning explosive infested terrans so slows the enemy right?

    As for warrior, give me Carine Bloodhoof or Imperius, most wanted at least for me.
    Dunno about Specialists, I don't really care about them unless they are super interesting like Medivh or Abathur. :P

    I got to say, I think Imperius' character fits better an Assassin role. I have a concept of him being a global melee Assassin that inspires friendly Heroes based on damage he does. Why global? Well, he hates everything human so riding an horse is not an option and in Diablo III he was blasting a massive wave whenever he landed so I think it would be cool. It also fits an aspect of Valor, he is always ready to fight.

    As for a true solo Tank, I think Reinhardt from Overwatch has already really good and easy to translate kit. I also like the idea of his Barrier being some sort of frontal wall that can block skill-shots.

    Or I think Gelbin Mekkatorque in his Steam Armor would be cool solo Warrior. He could have a cool mechanic where he can permanently change his basic abilities through talents. He starts with certain abilities and you can either empower existing one or pick a completely different ability.

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    she'll most likely have a subtlety rogue toolkit (Whcih fits her theming) since Garona is the assassin rogue benchmark.

    except if they dropped the whole class/tree setup, since varian covers so many of the warriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenjen View Post
    she'll most likely have a subtlety rogue toolkit (Whcih fits her theming) since Garona is the assassin rogue benchmark.

    except if they dropped the whole class/tree setup, since varian covers so many of the warriors.
    Valeera is Assassination. Always has been.

    She's actually nailed down as Assassination as a rogue order hall champion in Legion, alongside Garona.
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    Can we guess when we will be getting her skillset in public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Well View Post
    Can we guess when we will be getting her skillset in public?
    I expect to see In Development this week where they will reveal her and new Lunar Festival skins as the festival itself is supposed to start at the end of January or beginning of February. Releasing it next week might be too late to hype up stuff and usually we see stuff releasing two weeks after upload of In Development video which makes it about right with start of Lunar Festival.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    Valeera will be on the PTR tomorrow.

    https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/stat...24225318211584
    Okay. So maybe not a video, but everything straight on PTR.

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