I stopped my ms now I am working on my other 3 artifacts(Druid) once they hit 34 I will go back to my ms wep I do not go out of my way to farm this stuff though
Blizzard said that you were supossed to farm AP the whole expansion
We are talking about the average player here too, not the top raiders. You make it sound like everything anyone ever did was a waste of time because in two week they'd replace it with Naxx/AQ40 gear rofl.
The average player found crafting to be an efficient large use of time, with lots of requirements that had a huge pay off.
The average player found dungeons to be of suitable difficulty and reward incentive. And so forth.
Then on top of that, my post reply was ALSO including raids. In previous expansions, if you were an average player you'd have 1-3 tiers worth of content to work on. Now you have 1 at most ever due to the patch reset cycle, and sometimes not even 1 (in the case of WoD as we referenced before) where you could get Welfare Baleful and Conquest that was better then almost Heroic HFC (More-so the farmable Conquest)
Hence people "having nothing to do" is much more valid in today's WoW experience. Or maybe it should be rephrased to nothing relevant or worthwhile.
Even casuals have a reason to do the same thing a million times now. Forget crafting, progressing through the tiers/raids or going up the mythic + difficulty chain. Just keep farming three chest mythic + on low difficulty, do your welfare world boss and timewalking afk dungeons and pray.
Last edited by Daffan; 2017-01-18 at 08:07 PM.
Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.
Who the flying fuck is this game designed for anymore?
But personally I don't mind how Legion does things. At least not anymore, because I gave up on grinding the shit out of everything that gave AP. So now I am at 39 or something and perfectly happy. Some guys in my raids are way higher but tbh? I much rather stay sane after the insane amount of grinding I did in WoD, because there was nothing else to actually do.
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I do miss some fucking breathing room in between content patch releases. Having nothing to do wasn't so bad? Was it? I personally had a temporary sense of accomplishment after I got to that point. I had accomplished everything, or nearly everything I had set out to do for the week/patch. It gave me time to play alts, Pvp, or alt tab and porn, without the feeling of dread that I was falling further and further behind.
I'm finally to the point this expac where I feel like I'm nearly caught up; my legendaries aren't bad, I have a few of them, and my artifact power grind is nearly complete. I just hope the feeling lasts more than 2 weeks...
If you are playing with people that "require" you to farm, it's your choice. If you feel you are "required" to farm by the game itself, it's again your own problem.
You don't -need- above 35 for anything, except some insanely high m+ which is by far not casual content.
.. But on a serious note, indeed constantly raising the farm cap diminishes the sense of accomplishment. It is a very fine line. On the other hand the non-grindy content, like story quests, cutscenes, etc. takes a lot of resource to produce so it can never be paced the same way that grindy content can.
Last edited by Trumpcat; 2017-01-19 at 07:07 AM.
You're talking trivial things. Yes, someone might have better reaction, than me, I can't do anything about it. I'm playing 15 years and my reaction is as good, as it could be, it won't improve. I can't do anything about my ping, it's 100ms if I'm lucky and 200-500ms otherwise. I can't migrate to Amsterdam, sorry, that's outside of my capabilities. I can't do anything about my FPS, my money is shelved for new car, so my PC is all I got now. I'm reading guides, tactics, it's obvious, but then I'm going to farm AP, because I don't have a choice. I can't farm my ping or my reaction time, sorry.
So Legion is chinese farm. That's the fact which makes otherwise awesome addon so terrible for many people.
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the only thing its indicating is how detrimental for game mythic modes are and how more healthier playerbase would be if they got removed from game as the only thing they promote is unhealthy gameplay and behaviour.
lol OP has no idea what a real grind Korean MMO's are. No. Idea.
My weekly total is:
~1 mil EN HC
~1 mil dailies (7 of them)
That's about 3 million a week, for a casual. And it feels about right with my progression (2x35 and 1x36).
Can it be a lot more effiecient? Yes!
More fun? No!
I want to clear the raids and Kara and that takes time as a DPS. 30m-1h every night just to find groups. Some nights PuGs are such fail that you waste a couple of hours for almost zero gain.
Gaining AP to progress faster means I have to do things I don't like, repeatedly and skip things I like - that's grinding.
In the end though I'm OK with the progression I have and if I really want more I can invest an extra 30minutes of sleep time into a few 100k more AP per day played.
You dont have to farm anything!
35 is walk in the park , anything above 35 is nothing you HAVE to do unless you want to participate on the mythic top 10 worldwide gul dan kills...
dont stress yourself...
If you want to be #1 on logs you HAVE!! to do and grind something. If not just play and have fun.
Artifact Weapons are an interesting idea with an absolutely horrible implementation. And I don't think there is even a good way to do it at all, honestly. The power spike is so incredibly low that its a trickle that seems to happen over the course of months. Rather than getting little jumps every time you got a new weapon from a raid. Now its just, "Woo I do .05% more damage now!" This tied with the fact that the AP grind is the worst grind this game has ever had, and people just don't want to do it. So they don't. And then they suck because its what the devs decided makes your character worth a damn in Legion.
And no, sorry, the relics are not the same as getting new weapons.
"But Krazy, there's so many different ways to get Artifact Power!"
Yeah great. You pick up dog shit over by the barn, pick up dog shit over by the creek, or pick up dog shit over by the highway. Doesn't change the fact that you're wasting time picking up dog shit.
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