EPA Secretary Nominee Scott Pruitt Acknowledges Global Warming

[Dsc]

coal is not clean. this is not up for discussion.

the market for energy is moving towards green tech on it's own. Solar panels are cheaper then they have ever been, countries all over the world including china are making sweeping changes towards green energy solutions. hell, more then a few states in the US are still moving in that direction. coal and oil are going to dry up either on their own or by the global economy making them obsolete.

but please I await an explinationon how the NWO plays into this.

Coal done properly IS clean. I have toured a facility in southern Wisconsin in which out of 143 cars of coal brought in they needed to landfill a small 4x8 foot hopper of waste. ZERO CO2 or SO2 emissions were released into the environment. It was all captured and recycled into gypsum board and other materials.

I agree, and my air quality professor agrees that solar is the future, the problem is that the technology isn't nearly there yet. There is also the dirty little secret of the extremely toxic manufacturing of those solar panels. It's a bitch I know. Luckily for the solar industry, China loves to use dirty cheap coal )( without electrostatic precipitaters and the such) and export them, just as they do with most of the exports the West buys from them.


As for your conspiracy theorys about man made climate change being based on factual data and real science I see that arguing on the internet is like the special Olympics. I'm done discussing it with you guys you'll figure it out for yourselves in a few years I hope.


@ Endus
Global warming is indeed man-made. By fraudsters at NOAA and NASA who keep changing their data to make the past cooler and the present warmer. Based on the NASA temperature data from the year 2000 and satellite data since then, there has been no more than 0.6C warming since the middle of the 18th century. NASA shows more than twice that much warming now, due to their abuse of data.

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/h...t/met_used.zip

[satimy]

It really isn't. You're the one inserting partisan factors, here; I made no mention of them whatsoever. Show me a Democrat who denies climate change and I'll call them a conspiracy nutter just as readily.

What, Im saying its bullshit to claim you know how much humans are affecting global climate

[Cyberowl]

You mean due to Obama closing clean power plants as we buy dirty power from Mexico, and goods from China who open 5 dirty plants a day?

You are in for a surprise.

No, because of economies of scale, scope and efficiency. Renewable energies are beating coal in non-subsidized markets.

You are in for a suprise.

[alexw]

coal is not clean. this is not up for discussion.

the market for energy is moving towards green tech on it's own. Solar panels are cheaper then they have ever been, countries all over the world including china are making sweeping changes towards green energy solutions. hell, more then a few states in the US are still moving in that direction. coal and oil are going to dry up either on their own or by the global economy making them obsolete.

but please I await an explinationon how the NWO plays into this.

It's still getting cheaper. A couple of decades and the world will be run on solar power. Its already cheaper (without subsidies) than any other source in a lot of the sunnier states (purple is solar green is wind). Give it a decade and it will be cheaper in every state than any other source.

[zenkai]

Its the usual denialist crap that the denialists come out with in order to do nothing.

"We don't know the exact extent to which its man made and we need more study".

Ergo lets do nothing right now and "study" it for a couple of centuries until we can be 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure its 100% man made.

Why? When we can make so much more money off clean energy.

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coal is not clean. this is not up for discussion.

the market for energy is moving towards green tech on it's own. Solar panels are cheaper then they have ever been, countries all over the world including china are making sweeping changes towards green energy solutions. hell, more then a few states in the US are still moving in that direction. coal and oil are going to dry up either on their own or by the global economy making them obsolete.

but please I await an explinationon how the NWO plays into this.

Does this mean I am polluting my minecraft world?

[Endus]

@ Endus
Global warming is indeed man-made. By fraudsters at NOAA and NASA who keep changing their data to make the past cooler and the present warmer. Based on the NASA temperature data from the year 2000 and satellite data since then, there has been no more than 0.6C warming since the middle of the 18th century. NASA shows more than twice that much warming now, due to their abuse of data.

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/h...t/met_used.zip

You're now resorting to straight-up lying.

Anyone who actually cares about the facts, and not conspiracy nonsense, here's NASA and NOAA's central pages on this;

http://climate.nasa.gov/
http://www.noaa.gov/climate

Their data's there, all the methodology's available for peer review, nothing is being hidden from anyone who wants to know better.

What, Im saying its bullshit to claim you know how much humans are affecting global climate

Well, you thinking it's "bullshit" doesn't change the fact that it's true; we know how greenhouse gases contribute to warming, we know how much we're putting into the atmosphere, we know the natural factors in play, and lo and behold, the warming matches up right in line with where we'd expect, based on those human emissions, and there are no natural factors that can explain it.

You not LIKING the truth doesn't change it.

[alexw]

Coal done properly IS clean. I have toured a facility in southern Wisconsin in which out of 143 cars of coal brought in they needed to landfill a small 4x8 foot hopper of waste. ZERO CO2 or SO2 emissions were released into the environment. It was all captured and recycled into gypsum board and other materials.

I agree, and my air quality professor agrees that solar is the future, the problem is that the technology isn't nearly there yet. There is also the dirty little secret of the extremely toxic manufacturing of those solar panels. It's a bitch I know. Luckily for the solar industry, China loves to use dirty cheap coal )( without electrostatic precipitaters and the such) and export them, just as they do with most of the exports the West buys from them.


As for your conspiracy theorys about man made climate change being based on factual data and real science I see that arguing on the internet is like the special Olympics. I'm done discussing it with you guys you'll figure it out for yourselves in a few years I hope.


@ Endus
Global warming is indeed man-made. By fraudsters at NOAA and NASA who keep changing their data to make the past cooler and the present warmer. Based on the NASA temperature data from the year 2000 and satellite data since then, there has been no more than 0.6C warming since the middle of the 18th century. NASA shows more than twice that much warming now, due to their abuse of data.

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/h...t/met_used.zip

gigantic massive supernova sized facepalm.

Tell me, 143 cars worth of material was brought in. Did you see 143 odd cars leaving taking out the "stuff" they produced, or were they all empty?

It isn't even possible for them to do what you are saying they did. Gypsum is Calcium Sulfate. There is no Carbon in it. So unless they were alchemists who can turn one element into another then what you are saying they did is completely and utterly impossible.

[satimy]

You're now resorting to straight-up lying.

Anyone who actually cares about the facts, and not conspiracy nonsense, here's NASA and NOAA's central pages on this;

http://climate.nasa.gov/
http://www.noaa.gov/climate

Their data's there, all the methodology's available for peer review, nothing is being hidden from anyone who wants to know better.



Well, you thinking it's "bullshit" doesn't change the fact that it's true; we know how greenhouse gases contribute to warming, we know how much we're putting into the atmosphere, we know the natural factors in play, and lo and behold, the warming matches up right in line with where we'd expect, based on those human emissions, and there are no natural factors that can explain it.

You not LIKING the truth doesn't change it.

So tell me the exact date and hour when the world will end.

[Thepersona]

gigantic massive supernova sized facepalm.

Tell me, 143 cars worth of material was brought in. Did you see 143 odd cars leaving taking out the "stuff" they produced, or were they all empty?

It isn't even possible for them to do what you are saying they did. Gypsum is Calcium Sulfate. There is no Carbon in it. So unless they were alchemists who can turn one element into another then what you are saying they did is completely and utterly impossible.

wait... we found the elric brothers!

PS: i will post, again this, and make it quote-able

some thingies about the sun and how greenhouse gasses work

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas
http://www.c2es.org/facts-figures/main-ghgs
https://www.reference.com/science/su...014b7e2f6f84e7
http://science.howstuffworks.com/star.htm


First evidence: Carbon (and Methane) has been proven to be a greenhouse gas, or to be more exact, a heat trapping gas. There's even a video on mythbusters that prove it, on a controlled condition. Most of the solar radiation that reaches our planet is on the infrared to visible spectrum.

https://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-dioxid...ared-radiation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRd5GT0v0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX4eOg2LaSY
http://naturalfrequency.com/wiki/solar-radiation

Second Evidence: Carbon has been trapped since ancient times in different sources, mainly in coal, oil and natural gas deposits. This acts as a big (very big) carbon sink. its also trapped in the bottom of the oceans and in the permafrost (alongside methane, but this will be discussed on a point later). When any hydrocarbon compound is subjected to a combustion reaction, it releases H2O and CO2 as waste product + heat and light (if the reaction is strong enough). This even happens on most of the chemical reactions that are necessary to life. This carbon (the one that was trapped on the fossi fuels) has been used extensively since the industrial revolution.

http://www.windows2universe.org/eart...co2_cycle.html
http://www.sartep.com/chem/tutorials...ete+Combustion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion
https://www.mhi-global.com/discover/.../history.html4

Third evidence: since the industrial revolution the carbon present on the atmosphere has seen increasing numbers, even more in the recent years.for thousand of years, CO2 has been part of our air in a stable proportion. this hasn't been the case since the 1950s, when widespread use of internal combustion engines and plastic usage went global (plastic manufacture also releases CO2). Methane atmospheric levels are higher too, and methane is a waste product of cattle (it's litterally part of cowsh*t). It's needed to be said that we can accurately predict past levels of different gasses present in an ancient atmosphere, mainly because it gets trapped in bubbles on the antarctic ice.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_methane
http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/
https://scholarsandrogues.com/2012/0...-year-old-air/

Fourth evidence: Natural causes cannot be accounted for this increase in CO2 and CH4 levels (such as a natural decrease in carbon sinks, or volcanism).
volcanic activity has remained mostly stable in the past 100s of years, so that emissions are also stable. And interestingly, most of the volcanic eruptions produce localized (and global when its a megavolcano) cooling, because of the sulfur compounds that are released that block sunlight (and heat, and add to that the acid rain). Even in a weird way, climate change affects the rate of volcanic eruptions. Solar activity cannot be accounted for the increase of temperature, for it has been stable/lower than before.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...noes-affect-w/
http://ete.cet.edu/gcc/?/globaltemp_carbon_cycle/
http://www.livescience.com/25936-cli...volcanism.html
https://www.skepticalscience.com/sol...g-advanced.htm

Fifth evidence: The global temperature has been higher in the recent years, increasing in a rate never seen before (some scientist say that its even on a rate comparable to a great dying extinction event). It's very important to note not only the absolute temperature, but the speed of said warming

http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/201...climate-change
http://www.astrobio.net/climate/glob...e-great-dying/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temper...ast_1000_years
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...ming/page3.php

Sixth evidence: Ocean acidification. This is part of the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere. As carbon dioxide is dilluted on seawater, it undergoes a chemical reaction that forms carbonic acid. This does, in fact decrease the Ph of the oceanic water (as Ph goes down, it gets more acidic). This makes shell formation (for molluscs) much more difficult, and can prove fatal for many species.

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/...acidification/
https://www.skepticalscience.com/oce...al-warming.htm

Seventh evidence: Floods/Hurricanes/Droughts much more prevalent on the recent years. The extreme temperatures makes this events much more typical than before, and in the case of hurricanes (typhoons) it's because of the higher energy that can be used (higher than before). Have to add that Hurricanes and theses type of storms works like an engine, using heat as energy

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-war...nd-hurricanes/
http://www.climatehotmap.org/global-...s/drought.html
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...l#.WGxG-VXhDIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-w81QtY0ek

Eighth evidence: Species are moving north (or south) because of the change in temperature/rain, moving higher in latitude to a climate that suits them better, if they cant do that, they die
http://ihrrblog.org/2011/08/24/clima...er-elevations/
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/348/6234/571.full

Ninth Evidence: Some groups (Exxon mobil) reportedly knew about AGW since the 70s. But they tried to use money to get scientists for hire (i dunno what's the exact word) to muddy the waters and produce denialism. this happened because a policy that tackled climate change went against their business interests (like the ban on leaded gasoline and the controversy that happened before that... there's a chapter on cosmos that is dedicated to it).

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...denier-funding
http://www.motherjones.com/environme...science-denial

TLDR: there're insane amounts of evidence that proves that AGW exists. it's condensed on the IPCC report, here:

https://www.ipcc.ch/

and for policy makers (a real tldr) http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-re...r4-wg1-spm.pdf

PS: if someone comes with another one, feel free to PM me

[Edge-]

So tell me the exact date and hour when the world will end.

April 23, 2018 at 1:00PM

[Thepersona]

April 23, 2018 at 1:00PM

hey, 6 days after my birthday? no fair :c

[Endus]

So tell me the exact date and hour when the world will end.

I'll do that the moment you can tell me precisely how many molecules there are in the bag of Skittles candy on my desk.

As long as we're talking about completely irrelevant things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[alexw]

hey, 6 days after my birthday? no fair :c

Don't worry, just for you we'll move it backwards by 6 days, so you can have a birthday that ends with a bang.

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Endus, stop arguing with idiots man. You're a bloody mod, so just do your job, ban the conspiracy nutties, and stop dignifying them with responses. Conspiracy theories are not allowed on MMO-C, by the site's own rules.

100% agree. If they want to put up conspiracy theories they can go to breitbart where such posts are welcomed. If they want to post here then the rules are the rules and that means no nutjob theories.

[Aehl]

Don't worry, just for you we'll move it backwards by 6 days, so you can have a birthday that ends with a bang.

HEY.

No fair, mine is on the 26th.