Will this be considered a stain in American history?

[Deleted]

Hands up I am no expert in the political history of American history of Presidents so perhaps stuff like this has already occurred but from an outsider the amount of crazy happening over Trump is bewildering to me. Protests, riots and seemingly a country completely divided almost aggressively because of one man, it's awfully worrying. Do you think 2016/2017 will be recorded as a stain in your history books? I don't recall seeing as much friction regarding Clinton, Bush & Obama. I understand Presidents usually get negative attention eventually but not immediately

[Deleted]

The thing is that neither Clinton nor any of the bushs were alt-right fascists that got into office with racist bigotry empowered by russian propaganda.

So yes, i think it will be a stain in history books. Or "the great new start of america", considering the idea that winners tell history. And if trump wins at the end, history will tell the story from his point of view.

[Darkeon]

Yes. This "peaceful transition of power", especially after it was over-hyped\feared by the media and the Left, in case they'd win, has been a complete disgrace.

[Cthulhu 2020]

We'll have to wait and see about the number and severity of scandals. We already know there are going to be a ton of scandals, but what we don't know is if they're going to be minor and inconsequential, or massive, and whether or not there's going to be a "ton" or a "metric buttload fuckton".

[Skroe]

Depends on a few things.

The most important one is if Americans rise to the challenge. As the old Star Trek saying goes, "it's easy to be a saint in paradise." Americans have been patting themselves on the back for decades about our democratic cred without it truly being threatened by an internal threat. We talk a great game, but really, it was our forebearers, three, eight or nine generations removed, before many American's families even immigrated here, that actually last truly fought tyranny on our shores. The closest owe know is our grand parents or great grand parents fighting tyranny in World War II and removing people like Saddam Hussein from power.

Well here we have, Donald Trump, American Would be authoritarian figure. If Americans rise to the challenge in months and years ahead, when the Trump era comes crashing down - and it will one way or another, either through his removal/resignation or its natural end - we will have our own life experience and a story to tell our kid about how we, living Americans, resisted tyranny. We'll be able to pat ourselves on the back about something we actually did, rather than our trusteeship of our democratic inheritence.

It's just like NASA and Apollo 13. A disaster for sure, but one that also produced one of American's finest hours. Donald Trump's ascension is a black day for this country and a defilement on conservatism, liberalism, and most of all Americanism. If we lay trap after trap and get him and his supporters to crash upon iceberg upon iceberg, the day will come where their entire edifice collapses, and we'll be able to politically vanquish them... not for liberals or conservatives but for all Americans and all free people resisting demagogues.

It will be a new finest hour for all people who love human liberty. So let's rise to the challenge, and fight like hell against those who will take it away. Let's turn a stain into a moment of triumph.

[Deleted]

Don't get me wrong I think Trump is a joke but I kinda feel like he's just the catalyst to a bigger ongoing issue. This doesn't feel like "he's a tit, what's for dinner" scenario but possibly something much worst.

[mickybrighteyes]

The thing is that neither Clinton nor any of the bushs were alt-right fascists that got into office with racist bigotry empowered by russian propaganda.

So yes, i think it will be a stain in history books. Or "the great new start of america", considering the idea that winners tell history. And if trump wins at the end, history will tell the story from his point of view.

bold is false and insulting, the italics are opinion (and quite bigoted without context), and the red is a conspiracy theory that as of typing this has no credible foundation.


On topic. eh... people knee jerked hard this time around and in some very big ways. But, I mean they gotta compete with the last bunch of nay sayers who basically said Obama was the Anti-christ as foretold by biblical prophesy... and those guys had to top the people who were trash talking the Bush presidents for trying to overthrow the world because Bush Senior ripped part of his speech from the Illuminati Card Game.

People saying that this is the first time a racist has made it into the office... I guess they're forgetting the first presidents and how they viewed certain ideas (in particular the guy that got the U.S.A. some land in the midwest and tried destroying all the banks in the country)


edit:

Honestly the best part of this whole ordeal? The people most vocal on the subject are now publicly dropping all the same shit right wing conspiracy types were saying was a threat... 5-10 years ago.

I bet most average americans didn't have a clue what Martial Law was or how Continuation of Government worked until... well... these last few months

[Skroe]

Don't get me wrong I think Trump is a joke but I kinda feel like he's just the catalyst to a bigger ongoing issue. This doesn't feel like "he's a tit, what's for dinner" scenario but possibly something much worst.

It is absolutely worse. He's Putinism come to America in the mold of Silvio Berlusconi. Shocking but mostly obnoxious when it is Itally. A clear and real threat to the free world when it is the world's only superpower and, until yesterday, the leader of the free world.

If we want that title back, we have to earn it. I have faith in my fellow Americans we absolutely will.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Hands up I am no expert in the political history of American history of Presidents so perhaps stuff like this has already occurred but from an outsider the amount of crazy happening over Trump is bewildering to me. Protests, riots and seemingly a country completely divided almost aggressively because of one man, it's awfully worrying. Do you think 2016/2017 will be recorded as a stain in your history books? I don't recall seeing as much friction regarding Clinton, Bush & Obama. I understand Presidents usually get negative attention eventually but not immediately

Watergate was the worst scandal in recent history. Bill's blowjob in the white house was pretty minor and is already being forgotten. Trump should be able to top Watergate no problem, and getting blow jobs from white house interns is just going to be a daily thing for Trump. Even though Trumpkins will no longer be able to cry "BUH BUH BUH BUT HILLARY DID IT TOO!" whenever Trump does something horrible any more, at least when he's grabbing the pussy of every single white house intern, they'll be able to go "BUH BUH BUH BUT CLINTON! BILL CLINTON THAT IS!"

[Snorkles]

Will? I think for a lot of America's historical allies it already is.

[Deleted]

The thing is that neither Clinton nor any of the bushs were alt-right fascists that got into office with racist bigotry empowered by russian propaganda.

So yes, i think it will be a stain in history books. Or "the great new start of america", considering the idea that winners tell history. And if trump wins at the end, history will tell the story from his point of view.

Yeah, pretty much.
This is irrevocably the dumbest, most insulting president you've ever had. The rest of the world looks at him and shake their heads in dismay.
It's a joke. A farce.

[Aggrophobic]

Hands up I am no expert in the political history of American history of Presidents so perhaps stuff like this has already occurred but from an outsider the amount of crazy happening over Trump is bewildering to me. Protests, riots and seemingly a country completely divided almost aggressively because of one man, it's awfully worrying. Do you think 2016/2017 will be recorded as a stain in your history books? I don't recall seeing as much friction regarding Clinton, Bush & Obama. I understand Presidents usually get negative attention eventually but not immediately

It will most likely be seen as a stain on the human history as a whole.

[Templar 331]

This doesn't feel like "he's a tit, what's for dinner" scenario but possibly something much worst.

You are right. The last 8 years have shown that many people in the U.S. will hate something/someone and trust something/someone without fully understanding it/them.

Obama runs for President? "He's a damn Muslim!! Where's his REAL birth certificate!?!?"
Affordable Health Care? "Evil socialism!!!"
An inexperienced demagogue runs for President? "He'll make America great again!!"

These last 8 years have shown the level of ignorance that the U.S. population has for politics, and in some cases reality. It is a scary thought that we are one of the major powers on the planet and yet we're this stupid. Trump didn't make people like this, he just played on it. And the worst thing is that he won.

[Stormspark]

I don't think Trump himself is going to do much but be loud and obnoxious (and ruin relations with the rest of the world of course). Congress is no doubt going to use him as a distraction to pretty much do whatever they want. Any time they want to pass an obviously unconstitutional law (which actually happens all the time), they will have Trump make one of his really dumb inflammatory speeches to divert attention from whatever it is they're doing, and the people protesting that will get drowned out by the people complaining about whatever just came out of Trump's mouth.

TL;DR: Trump isn't the one you should be worried about. He's just the one that's most visible. He's a distraction.

[Skroe]

Yeah, pretty much.
This is irrevocably the dumbest, most insulting president you've ever had. The rest of the world looks at him and shake their heads in dismay.
It's a joke. A farce.

Forgive us. Please.

We'll clean up our own mess.

[Deleted]

Only about as much of a stain as Obama was made out to be, so basically only in the minds of hardcore partisans that live in their own reality and who's sole purpose is to make their political choice correct, by only ever having outward criticism, while their politicians roughs them over the barrel.

Hint, politics aren't this massive gap that people tend to make it out to be, that every single thing is the complete opposite on the opposition and that they are all evil-mongers that will either give free passes to black people to rape white women, or the opposite enslave black people.

[Darkeon]

Only about as much of a stain as Obama was made out to be, so basically only in the minds of hardcore partisans that live in their own reality and who's sole purpose is to make their political choice correct, by only ever having outward criticism, while their politicians roughs them over the barrel.

Hint, politics aren't this massive gap that people tend to make it out to be, that every single thing is the complete opposite on the opposition and that they are all evil-mongers that will either give free passes to black people to rape white women, or the opposite enslave black people.

That's very Alt-Right of you to say. I'm starting to think that Russian Hackers have made that comment. I'd be careful if I was you!

[Deleted]

That's very Alt-Right of you to say. I'm starting to think that Russian Hackers have made that comment. I'd be careful if I was you!

Or I am a hardcore cuck libtard that doesn't have a job and just wants to mooch of the system

I am the Schrodinger political affiliate

[Trollhammer]

Hahah. Some posters melodrama about trump is hilarious.

[Kaeth]

The stain will only get worse if we don't find some way to reverse the decision of Shelby County v. Holder through new legislation. But (bipartisan) attempts to do so thus far have died in committee in both houses.