Ukrainian Farmers, Poised for Growth, Stumble After E.U. Deal

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If it wasn't for Russia's aggressive actions toward Ukraine, most of Russia's food would be coming from Ukraine. The situation is stupid because the reason for Russia's aggression is to deflect the attention of Russian citizens from Putin and the other oligarchs to "fake" external threats.

Maybe Ukraine and Britain could work out a deal.

You do realize that the Russian "aggression" started after Maidan, which was generously supported by US/EU parties with goal to weaken the ties between Russia and Ukraine?

[Mihalik]

Europe refuses to open it's market to Ukraine and Russia closed it's market. After the fake protests all that is left is misery and poverty. Great job.

Dude. Stop.

This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't thing with you.

If the EU allowed Ukraine to flood the market with cheap eggs, you would be here bitching about how the EU destroyed Bulgarian/Romanian/Polish/whatever farmers because it failed to enforce its quotas.

Stop it.

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Americans egged the violent protests with promises of free travel and assistance. Merkel did the same. It is all your fault.

I'm confused now...is it the Germans fault or the Americans fault? Or everyone's fault west of the Bulgarian border?

[Slant]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...813582410.html

Americans egged the violent protests with promises of free travel and assistance. Merkel did the same. It is all your fault.

Again, they are not in the EU. When will the world learn that the EU is primarily there to make sure the EU countries get the best deals on the planet? It's not a welfare system. It's hardly even a political system. What they offered was "a future in Europe", not "free money instantly, without sharing the burden of the EU members". I get it, you expect Germany to pay for your villa, Rolls Royce, the Yacht and a small army of prostitutes with bags of cocaine, but you will be disappointed at how selfish the EU actually is every single time. And yes, that's how the EU is designed. To look out for the economic interests of the EU member states. Even your sorry little excuse of a state is profiting heavily from it. Even if you don't have yout yacht. Ungratefulness won't get you sympathies, Cybran. Get with the program.

[Cybran]

https://euobserver.com/foreign/122948

The chancellor said German civil society was also "very much involved" in Ukraine and promised that "the democratisation of Ukraine will not fail because of lack of support from our side."

Both Merkel and Tusk ruled out sanctions so long as the EU is seeking to mediate between the two sides.

But Tusk admitted that as a neighbouring state, Poland is drafting contingency plans in case civil war breaks out in Ukraine.

"The countries bordering Ukraine, particularly the countries of the Visegrad group [Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic] are of course preparing for various scenarios," Tusk said.

Germany has been funding and directing the opposition since 2010. All of the blood is on Germany's hands.

Infracted - please refrain from turning every EU-related thread into a Germany is evil thread

[Slant]

I'm confused now...is it the Germans fault or the Americans fault? Or everyone's fault west of the Bulgarian border?

According to The Book of Cybran, it goes kinda like this: European problems are Germany's fault. World problems are the US' fault. By proxy, European problems are so also the US' fault, but less so, since Germany is the proxy. So he is logically consistant in blaming the Ukraine situation on both Germany and the US, whatever suits his argument the most at the time, with a clear emphasize on Germany.

[sarahtasher]

Okay, so I'm trying to understand but my brain hurt : a Trump supporter complain about the EU protectionism ?

[lonely zergling]

https://euobserver.com/foreign/122948


Germany has been funding and directing the opposition since 2010. All of the blood is on Germany's hands.

The blood is on the russian soldiers hands. Putin did this.

[Mihalik]

Just for a bit of nuance here.

http://www.economist.com/news/financ...ate-still-edge While things are still hard, it's not as apocalyptic as Cybran makes it out to be, especially not for a country that is effectively at war with Russia.

More bits and pieces.

Real wages in Ukraine grow by 7.2% in June

Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/economics/144...2-in-june.html

Ukraine posts $406 mln surplus in balance of payments in H1

Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/economics/144...nts-in-h1.html

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https://euobserver.com/foreign/122948

Germany has been funding and directing the opposition since 2010. All of the blood is on Germany's hands.

Supporting a democratic movement isn't instigation to a civil war. Did you see the next sentence talking about Tusk and Merkel trying to mediate? That's what the EU does. Make deals, compromises. That backwater third world countries don't understand how modern democracy functions is a problem, but hardly ours. Again, I point out that the Ukraine is not part of the EU. We cannot force them to do or not do something. All we can do is suggest and offer deals and agreements.

[sarahtasher]

https://euobserver.com/foreign/122948


Germany has been funding and directing the opposition since 2010. All of the blood is on Germany's hands.

That does means that. Do you know the English/French term platitude

[Slant]

Okay, so I'm trying to understand but my brain hurt : a Trump supporter complain about the EU protectionism ?

Nah, it's just him trying to spin that Germany is ripping off yet another country on top of his own. You interpret too much genial argumentation into his words. Go simpler. He hates Germany. This matter doesn't interest him beyond that he can somehow pin it on Germany. Cybran doesn't give two fucks about the Ukraine.

[Cybran]

The blood is on the russian soldiers hands. Putin did this.

Carl Bild, John McCain and Donald Tusk went to meet with the Right Sector and Svoboda Party. They instigated the riots and reprisal attacks on Russian speakers who are a minority there.

Everything else is a snow ball from there.

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Carl Bild, John McCain and Donald Tusk went to meet with the Right Sector and Svoboda Party. They instigated the riots and reprisal attacks on Russian speakers who are a minority there.

Everything else is a snow ball from there.

You surely have a source on this?

And before you quote them... not RT or any other propaganda machine. :P

[Cyberowl]

Penis envy. It's common to a lot of Slavs. Everything is everyone else fault, they are corrupt because they have been corrupted, they are poor because they have been robbed, they have no industry because brain drain, they have no infrastructure because all the aid they received was stolen by their politicians because the Germans failed to properly trace that money. Etc.

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Indeed. He is a special case.

It's hard to top the entitlement and victim complex of slavs, and that is coming from someone with Polish parents.

And the saddest thing? When things improve they get the urge to wreck their shit again because they buy into propaganda that fuels their complex.

[Cybran]

You surely have a source on this?

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-...kraine-2013-12




McCain and the Right Wing fascists, shortly before the violence got worse.

[sarahtasher]

Please, explain me what kind of scenario do you imagine in which Germany does not have more weight in negotiations than Bulgaria or Belgium.

[Pannonian]

So it was actually germany that illegally annexed crimea?

[sarahtasher]

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-...kraine-2013-12




McCain and the Right Wing fascists, shortly before the violence got worse.

I really don't get this hatred of Ukrainian néo-nazis. The only thing they ever did is lionized by most Putin supporters, AKA brutally murdering Jews. And Pole.

[Slant]

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-...kraine-2013-12

McCain and the Right Wing fascists, shortly before the violence got worse.

So... you interpret McCains poor judgement of associates with "They [McCain and Tusk] instigated the riots and reprisal attacks on Russian speakers who are a minority there."

You know, that's more than sketchy. That's outright lying. :P

[lonely zergling]

So it was actually germany that illegally annexed crimea?

Yes sorry we thought it belongs to Poland.