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  1. #21
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    There is also a good list of tips here:

    http://roguedpsguide.com/nighthold-tips-and-tricks/

  2. #22
    Dear fellow rogues, my guild is progressing mid Mythic NH. Some bosses are already down, some are being progressed. But I'd like to find ways of optimizations and would appreciate other mythic progressing rogues opinions and suggestions on the below questions:

    1. Spellblade Aluriel - your desired spec?
    That's definitely not the fight we'd be shining on in NH list and the obvious reason is adds involvement. Do you still run MP/AP, leaving heavy AOE/Cleave duties to other classes to down adds quickly (frost and arcane specifically)? Or are there anyone with successful experience of going Alacrity with Deadly Poison and joining to AOE fest?

    2. High Botanist - tunnel or not? FOK or mut?
    First thing to note - the question is not about cheesing dps meters.
    a) Do you Rupture 1 or 2 unfocused "Botanists" in P1 and P2? My feeling is that it's more resource efficient to tunnel the only focused one, but I wonder if anyone can comment on the benefit from the extra energy regen from these extra bleeds on other 2 bosses (which however requires targets to be poisoned, which makes it complex).
    b) Do you ever use FOK when all 3 are up? Do you ever prio FoK over Mutilate? Or am I right saying it's a bad idea, assuming the strength of 2P set bonus?

    3. Tichondrius - soaking tips
    1-2 Rogues are favoured by many guilds for this fight for soaking duties. I believe we'll soon start progressing on this boss, so wanted to learn:
    a) does it matter which soaking order to put a rogue for? E.g. is the rotation "tank-tank-rogue-rogue" better than "tank-rogue-tank-rogue"?
    b) how often do you recommend using Feint? Does it matter how many stacks you get or it's simply every 5 sec to help healers? Do you prefer Elusiveness? And lastly, is there any reason to consider putting on Will of Valeera, or the bit of selfhealing won't be that much helpful in this role?

    Thanks in advance
    Last edited by ElvisOnMars; 2017-03-02 at 01:50 PM.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisOnMars View Post
    Dear fellow rogues, my guild is progressing mid Mythic NH. Some bosses are already down, some are being progressed. But I'd like to find ways of optimizations and would appreciate other mythic progressing rogues opinions and suggestions on the below questions:

    1. Spellblade Aluriel - your desired spec?
    That's definitely not the fight we'd be shining on in NH list and the obvious reason is adds involvement. Do you still run MP/AP, leaving heavy AOE/Cleave duties to other classes to down adds quickly (frost and arcane specifically)? Or are there anyone with successful experience of going Alacrity with Deadly Poison and joining to AOE fest?

    2. High Botanist - tunnel or not? FOK or mut?
    First thing to note - the question is not about cheesing dps meters.
    a) Do you Rupture 1 or 2 unfocused "Botanists" in P1 and P2? My feeling is that it's more resource efficient to tunnel the only focused one, but I wonder if anyone can comment on the benefit from the extra energy regen from these extra bleeds on other 2 bosses (which however requires targets to be poisoned, which makes it complex).
    b) Do you ever use FOK when all 3 are up? Do you ever prio FoK over Mutilate? Or am I right saying it's a bad idea, assuming the strength of 2P set bonus?

    3. Tichondrius - soaking tips
    1-2 Rogues are favoured by many guilds for this fight for soaking duties. I believe we'll soon start progressing on this boss, so wanted to learn:
    a) does it matter which soaking order to put a rogue for? E.g. is the rotation "tank-tank-rogue-rogue" better than "tank-rogue-tank-rogue"?
    b) how often do you recommend using Feint? Does it matter how many stacks you get or it's simply every 5 sec to help healers? Do you prefer Elusiveness? And lastly, is there any reason to consider putting on Will of Valeera, or the bit of selfhealing won't be that much helpful in this role?

    Thanks in advance
    For Tichondrius, my guild does tank-rogue-tank-rogue. If you are the last soak, you'll receive a 4 stack carrion plague and it hits like a fucking truck. You will need elusiveness and 100% uptime on Feint. Will of Valeera might actually be a good option if your guild is fine on boss damage. Don't forget crimson vial ofc.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Mych View Post
    For Tichondrius, my guild does tank-rogue-tank-rogue. If you are the last soak, you'll receive a 4 stack carrion plague and it hits like a fucking truck. You will need elusiveness and 100% uptime on Feint. Will of Valeera might actually be a good option if your guild is fine on boss damage. Don't forget crimson vial ofc.
    We do the opposite rotation (rogue1 - prot pally - rogue2 - prot pally). Stacks work out to 2 - 4 - 3 - 4 and we found it easier to keep our prot paladin alive with high stacks than a rogue. Plus, rolling Feint for like a quarter of the fight is a giant DPS hit, and the enrage was moderately tight on our first kill. If you soak 1st or 3rd, you only need to Feint Brand explosions if you're low and can keep CD just in case.

  5. #25
    I'd be interested in when people are finding the most opportune times to pop CDs in each of the fights to maximise the number of uses but also get the most value out of them, particularly from an outlaw PoV.

    I understand that this in part will depend heavily on your initial RtB

  6. #26
    2. High Botanist - tunnel or not? FOK or mut?
    First thing to note - the question is not about cheesing dps meters.
    a) Do you Rupture 1 or 2 unfocused "Botanists" in P1 and P2? My feeling is that it's more resource efficient to tunnel the only focused one, but I wonder if anyone can comment on the benefit from the extra energy regen from these extra bleeds on other 2 bosses (which however requires targets to be poisoned, which makes it complex).
    b) Do you ever use FOK when all 3 are up? Do you ever prio FoK over Mutilate? Or am I right saying it's a bad idea, assuming the strength of 2P set bonus?

    Absolutely mutltidot and cleave this fight, you can up your dps by 100k+ by doing this properly. With 3 ruptures and a garrote going you'll have twice the energy coming back in. Use that to swap target to target and mutilate to 4+cp's and envenom, next target mut to 4cp's envenom. You'll stand a better chance at getting poison bombs as well since you'll be doing more envenoms than normal. Once they're bleeds are getting low, change envenom to rupture and repeat. If you do this successfully it will pay off in huge numbers, especially if you're lucky enough to be an owner of the shiny bracers to buff all your bleeds by 30% under 30% of their HP.

  7. #27
    I've had very mixed results on Hguldan sometimes I can do very well but sometimes Gul'dan loves screwing around by frame trapping over commitment with his fel beam in p1.
    I have shoulders and bracers so I would just standard rotate on gul waiting for all 3 mobs to show up get rupture dots on them and depending on circumstances having 2 garrotes on the first and second on > vanish so all my dots crit > pick one to go ham on hopefully getting the full vendetta.

    I used to shadow step to him when he's powering up in the bubble so i can start applying rupture and garrote and have my energy pool all the way back up so he's taking damage as soon as possible.

  8. #28
    Anyone have some tips for assassination and sub on aluriel?

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    Anyone have some tips for assassination and sub on aluriel?
    the adds have less armor than the boss, so if you want to pad hit those :P

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    the adds have less armor than the boss, so if you want to pad hit those :P
    I don't have a good response for this. Thumbs up.

    Still though, i'm getting shit on for dmg contribution to adds, and because i'm being a tryhard at that, i'm doing less to boss. (as sub, with recently acquired shoulders and kbw) As assassination, more boss dmg, less on avg add dmg, with rng dmg spikes from poison bomb.

    Tonight we should have our DH and second warrior back, and those tow and the ele shaman eat up a massive part of the dmg on the adds, which is great i think. I'd just like to contribute more to that.

    I've done multidotting and evisc spam, multidotting looks to pull ahead slightly, both for ass and sub. Of course i'm leading in with a big 100% dfa, kbw, and SS spam during the crit window, then spreading dots, as sub, as ass, i'm envenoming once, fok spam, spread low cp ruptures, envenom/fok after (if time)

    So i feel like i'm doing it right but i hate getting shit on when i don't think i should be.

    oh, funsies: i got a 900ilvl chaos talisman with a socket out of my chest. Talk about badass...but useless.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    I don't have a good response for this. Thumbs up.

    Still though, i'm getting shit on for dmg contribution to adds, and because i'm being a tryhard at that, i'm doing less to boss. (as sub, with recently acquired shoulders and kbw) As assassination, more boss dmg, less on avg add dmg, with rng dmg spikes from poison bomb.

    Tonight we should have our DH and second warrior back, and those tow and the ele shaman eat up a massive part of the dmg on the adds, which is great i think. I'd just like to contribute more to that.

    I've done multidotting and evisc spam, multidotting looks to pull ahead slightly, both for ass and sub. Of course i'm leading in with a big 100% dfa, kbw, and SS spam during the crit window, then spreading dots, as sub, as ass, i'm envenoming once, fok spam, spread low cp ruptures, envenom/fok after (if time)

    So i feel like i'm doing it right but i hate getting shit on when i don't think i should be.

    oh, funsies: i got a 900ilvl chaos talisman with a socket out of my chest. Talk about badass...but useless.
    simple: tell your RL to fuck off, your job is boss damage, adds should die to DHs fire mages and hunters, not rogues

    if he expects you to top both boss and adds he's high out his ass

    obviously im exxagerating here but still, the whole point of rogues is insane boss damage, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TAKEN FOR, you got like 13 other guys for that job

    if it comes to it tho
    the most optimal thing you can do is go sub, run DFA
    and tunnel boss but spam shurriken/DFA

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    simple: tell your RL to fuck off, your job is boss damage, adds should die to DHs fire mages and hunters, not rogues

    if he expects you to top both boss and adds he's high out his ass

    obviously im exxagerating here but still, the whole point of rogues is insane boss damage, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TAKEN FOR, you got like 13 other guys for that job

    if it comes to it tho
    the most optimal thing you can do is go sub, run DFA
    and tunnel boss but spam shurriken/DFA
    That's what it's going to come down to. he knows some classes are better at the adds than others (lol ele shaman), when we were wanking around with sub early on it was us trying to go nuts on aoe instead of funneling like we should be.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    That's what it's going to come down to. he knows some classes are better at the adds than others (lol ele shaman), when we were wanking around with sub early on it was us trying to go nuts on aoe instead of funneling like we should be.
    well weve never had that problem, in fact my RL specifically forced me to go assa and just tunnel the boss cos our add dmg was enough anyway.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    I don't have a good response for this. Thumbs up.

    Still though, i'm getting shit on for dmg contribution to adds, and because i'm being a tryhard at that, i'm doing less to boss. (as sub, with recently acquired shoulders and kbw) As assassination, more boss dmg, less on avg add dmg, with rng dmg spikes from poison bomb.

    Tonight we should have our DH and second warrior back, and those tow and the ele shaman eat up a massive part of the dmg on the adds, which is great i think. I'd just like to contribute more to that.

    I've done multidotting and evisc spam, multidotting looks to pull ahead slightly, both for ass and sub. Of course i'm leading in with a big 100% dfa, kbw, and SS spam during the crit window, then spreading dots, as sub, as ass, i'm envenoming once, fok spam, spread low cp ruptures, envenom/fok after (if time)

    So i feel like i'm doing it right but i hate getting shit on when i don't think i should be.

    oh, funsies: i got a 900ilvl chaos talisman with a socket out of my chest. Talk about badass...but useless.
    Well i figured my shit out.

    With some experimentation, i'm now one of the top dmg to frost adds, behind ele shaman and moonkin with moonfire legendary.

    I was lucky enough to get the legendary shoulders this past monday, doing so well on adds requires the shoulders.

    What it takes is quickly multidotting frost adds, then vanishing-->DFA onto big add, and spamming evisc on big add (might get only one or two more evisc) and then continuing evisc spam after of course.

    So you get 5 targets with NB critting for 9sec, plus DFA, and i also use KBW there.

    For the longest time i was just vanishing and using DFA immediately, and all it took was a slight delay on vanish and BOOM, amazing dmg.

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