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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    $46 per credit hour?

    That's ALL IT COST? Holy crap, most students would gladly pay that compared to most prices. O_O

    $1500 a year for a full load of 15 credit hours per semester!

    I imagine most people would gladly pay back a student loan if it was only $6,000 at the end of four years. That's less than a car for crying out loud.
    CA community colleges are heavily funded by the state. At my firm, we used to get our OSHA, Confined Space and Transportation certificate renewal for $5 per person at Cuyamaca College. It is up to around $60 per person now, but still a lot cheaper than doing the renewal through private companies.

    My wife does all her real estate classes/continuing educations through the community college system also. They also offer classes like ballroom dancing, flower arrangement, etc. We took their dance, cooking, brewing and wine appreciation classes in the past for fun.

    Most community colleges only offer associate degrees. I don't think the majority offer 4 year degrees. You should still be able to do all your general education and basic math/chemistry/physics/engineering classes at a community college, then transfer to a university for the last two years.

  2. #162
    That would be great if San Francisco wasn't one of the sanctuary cities, and thus in danger of losing a lot of money should they decide to oppose the president. I guess San Francisco will have to rethink their whole sanctuary city policy. Otherwise someone might decide to withold that 1 billion of federal money from the city. Now wouldn't that suck?

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Astalnar View Post
    That would be great if San Francisco wasn't one of the sanctuary cities, and thus in danger of losing a lot of money should they decide to oppose the president. I guess San Francisco will have to rethink their whole sanctuary city policy. Otherwise someone might decide to withold that 1 billion of federal money from the city. Now wouldn't that suck?
    The Feds will have to go through litigation if they want to do that. You are not seriously thinking SF is going to take it lying down.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    The Feds will have to go through litigation if they want to do that. You are not seriously thinking SF is going to take it lying down.
    No I don't suspect they will consider their legal residents best interests before their illegal ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TITAN308 View Post
    No I don't suspect they will consider their legal residents best interests before their illegal ones.
    It is not the job of local governments to do the job of the federal government.

    Also, clearly their legal residents don't mind it since they keep voting people into power that continue their sanctuary status.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astalnar View Post
    That would be great if San Francisco wasn't one of the sanctuary cities, and thus in danger of losing a lot of money should they decide to oppose the president. I guess San Francisco will have to rethink their whole sanctuary city policy. Otherwise someone might decide to withold that 1 billion of federal money from the city. Now wouldn't that suck?
    There's some pretty strong SC precedent in California's favor. Can't coerce states into doing things that aren't their responsibility.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Astalnar View Post
    That would be great if San Francisco wasn't one of the sanctuary cities, and thus in danger of losing a lot of money should they decide to oppose the president. I guess San Francisco will have to rethink their whole sanctuary city policy. Otherwise someone might decide to withold that 1 billion of federal money from the city. Now wouldn't that suck?
    No that's never going to happen whatever Trump may say. It's illegal for the federal government to economically blackmail states.

    But I thought you would be cheering wildly for San Francisco, as aren't you right wingers strong believers in states rights? Or is it that you are just a hypocrite?
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    I'm heading to San Francisco to get a second degree. It's only 250 miles or so from here. I'll have to live in a cardboard box and dumpster dive for food. They'll probably want proof that I'm a resident though.
    Dont forget your poop map of the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedragon View Post
    No, but then again I also don't keep the money i use to pay rent or the money I use to buy food it was all my money though. In the end you can say it was never my money, but then you answer your own question as to why i'm not ok with more taxes, as I have less money because of it.
    Rent and grocery are negotiable, tax is not. The money is deducted from your paycheck, and never makes its way into your hands to begin with.

    You not being okay with taxes is a different discussion than whether or not the money is yours.

    And I never asked you if you were okay with more taxes. I asked if you get to keep the taxed portion.

  10. #170
    Free is a subjective word.

    Should rather consider the economic activity and growth something has.

    A good example of this would be SNAP (food stamps). Every $1 in SNAP benefits generates $1.73 in economic activity. This isn't subjective and can be measured. A net positive on the investment is good for all of us.

    Making college free can also generate economic activity in more than one way, directly and indirectly. As the overall effect would be a net positive (we have countries to model this off of) then it would just need to be implemented across the USA to see us generate net gains as a Country from such endevours.

    But sadly there's too much money to be made from education, so our government being the shills that they are are not willing to transition because they make tons of money from loans and interests on those loans. Private equity firms also make tons of money off education. So the systems we would look to helps us make this a reality will be our greatest foes in seeing it through.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    No that's never going to happen whatever Trump may say. It's illegal for the federal government to economically blackmail states.

    But I thought you would be cheering wildly for San Francisco, as aren't you right wingers strong believers in states rights? Or is it that you are just a hypocrite?
    Here's the thing, it's not a blackmail. It's quid pro quo. It's a punitive measure for those who go against the law. If they want the money, they just need to follow the law. Afterall, it's not the state's money that is being withheld, it is the federal money. If you believe otherwise, I'll be willing to accept your word for it once you show me that law.

    Yes, I agree. The smaller the government the better. That still doesn't give any of the states any right to break the law. It's the rule of law we're protecting here. That's one of the main reasons why we have borders as well. Those borders showcase to where our jurisdiction extends. Now when certain states and cities try to obstruct that pursuit of rule of law, it is only just that we force them to live up to their promises.

    They want to have free college, great. Good on them. They want to obstruct the justice, they'll have to pay the price. How long do you think they can keep up this farce once the cities start losing billions over a group of people that shouldn't even be there in the first place. How long until the city comes to conclusion that given the fact that they are not even the citizens of USA, they cannot possibly be the citizens of a particular city? That is what is in wait for the hypocrites who are virtue signaling that some outsider is more important to them than their own citizens. Once that people hear that there is no money for subsidies, free college, etc, how long do you belive the politicians advocating disobedience will stay in power? You think people will just say, how evil the Trump is, when Trump tells them that all they need to do to get their funds back, is deport the illegals?

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Most community colleges only offer associate degrees. I don't think the majority offer 4 year degrees. You should still be able to do all your general education and basic math/chemistry/physics/engineering classes at a community college, then transfer to a university for the last two years.
    Exactly what I did too.

    I don't recall the prices, though, as it's been quite a while plus I had gotten a scholarship that covered pretty much all of it for the community college.

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