After ICE arrests, fear spreads among undocumented immigrants

[Tennis]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/11/politi...ear/index.html

(CNN)Across the United States, some unauthorized immigrants are keeping their children home from school. Others have suspended after-school visits to the public library. They have given up coffee shop trips and weekend restaurant dinners with family.

Some don't answer knocks on their doors. They're taping bedsheets over windows and staying off social media. Nervous parents and their children constantly exchange text messages and phone calls.
From New York to Los Angeles, a series of immigration arrests this week have unleashed waves of fear and uncertainly across immigrant communities.

"There are people that I work with who essentially want to go dark," said Cesar Vargas, one of the first immigrants without legal status in New York state to be sworn in as a lawyer.
"They don't want to be public in any way whatsoever. They spend less time on the street. They go to work and go straight back home. They don't go on Facebook. They put curfews on themselves."
The fear started to set in after President Donald Trump's inauguration last month, according to advocates. It heightened after Thursday's deportation of an undocumented Arizona mother of two who was making a routine visit with immigration officials. And Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents this week carried out numerous actions in California, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Texas and other states.

"There are teachers who told me they had students missing from school out of fear," said Greg Casar, a city council member in Austin, Texas.
"I was with a constituent, a single mother with kids -- good, hardworking everyday folks -- and she had duct-taped sheets up and down her windows. ICE had come and knocked on her door earlier in the day."
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Casar, the son of Mexican immigrants, spoke on the phone Saturday from a meeting of about 100 teachers who gathered to discuss how talk to children about ICE actions and assure them they're safe at school.

A construction worker, Antonio said he has paid taxes for years. He was part of a small army of unauthorized immigrants who toiled in the reconstruction efforts in Queens and Staten Island after Superstorm Sandy in 2012.
"We were among the first to respond during that catastrophe," he said.
"We helped rebuild homes and the owners still seek us out for work. But some people feel we're taking away (jobs). We take the jobs they don't want. So it's, 'Oh, you helped me rebuild my house but now I don't need you and you should go back to Mexico.'"

I really am not pleased about spreading fear. People are keeping their kids home from school and are worried about opening their doors!

[Toppy]

They need to follow legal channels if they want citizenship. End of story.

[Pyro1990]

My opinion is that if they are already here and in good legal standing they should be given the opportunity to apply for a permanent residency. But if that have legal issues that would cause them to be kicked back by USCIS they should be deported and they can try to follow legal chanels through their home country if the want.

[NED funded]

Already a thread on this.

[Valstorm Warsong]

She should of come in legally, I have no sympathy for her or her kids, she makes it harder for people who go through the legal process, to get into the US.

[Tennis]

She should of come in legally, I have no sympathy for her or her kids, she makes it harder for people who go through the legal process, to get into the US.

So you want to throw out hard working residents who helped to rebuild after hurricane Sandy?

[Valstorm Warsong]

So you want to throw out hard working residents who helped to rebuild after hurricane Sandy?

Yes since it's the law, America give financial assistance to Mexico all the time, but that doesn't give us the right to illegally trespass into their country.

[nanook12]

Good, they should be afraid.

[the game]

So you want to throw out hard working residents who helped to rebuild after hurricane Sandy?

Fuck yes. They're spitting in the face of every immigrant who is coming into this country legally and going through the right channels. They're taking benefits away from Americans and legal American immigrants. They dont' pay taxes and they should be escorted out of the country when they are found out. If you want to be a citizen then do it legally. That's why we have the immigration policy.

[Jimusmc]

come here legally it's. that. simple.

[Ahovv]

So you want to throw out hard working residents who helped to rebuild after hurricane Sandy?

Interesting fallacy you got there. I'll be sure to defend other criminals based on only their positive aspects in the future.

[nanook12]

So you want to throw out hard working residents who helped to rebuild after hurricane Sandy?

They take jobs and lower wages Tennisace. They also broke the law, abuse the 14th amendment in order to gain access to welfare and other government programs, they do not culturally assimilate into the U.S. and instead they try to force their culture on us, and they pay less in taxes. Some will argue that they pay into programs such as social security that they will never have access to, but the truth is that if you take all the positives and negatives economics they create and compare them they are a net drain on the tax system, the jobs market, and cause wage stagnation.

I could care less how you feel about things Tennisace.

[fatgunn]

Good, they should be afraid.

agreed /10char

[Wells]

This is a large part of why sanctuary cities exist. Police need public trust to operate and when potentially illegal resident populations fear talking to the police will get them deported they decline to do so.

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They take jobs and lower wages Tennisace. They also broke the law, abuse the 14th amendment in order to gain access to welfare and other government programs, they do not culturally assimilate into the U.S. and instead they try to force their culture on us, and they pay less in taxes. Some will argue that they pay into programs such as social security that they will never have access to, but the truth is that if you take all the positives and negatives economics they create and compare them they are a net drain on the tax system, the jobs market, and cause wage stagnation.

I could care less how you feel about things Tennisace.

There's little factual basis for the conclusions you're trying to draw.

Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent.

retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated.

The Department of Labor reports that of the 2.5 million farm workers in the U.S., over half (53 percent) are illegal immigrants. Growers and labor unions put this figure at 70 percent.

The Congressional Budget Office in 2007 answered this question in the following manner: “Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use.”

any claim that they’ve ruined the country doesn’t correlate to the views of any notable economist.

[Super Kami Dende]

Criminals scared because they are getting caught by the Law?

I fail to give a shit.

[Sky High]

they do not culturally assimilate into the U.S. and instead they try to force their culture on us

and you seriously claim to live in southern CA...?

[nanook12]

and you seriously claim to live in southern CA...?

Yep, I live in SoCal. Taco trucks on every corner.

[Sky High]

Yep, I live in SoCal. Taco trucks on every corner.

exactly, what's the problem with that.

[nanook12]

exactly, what's the problem with that.

What isn't the problem with that?

[NatePsy]

exactly, what's the problem with that.

Isn't Spanish like mandatory now in Schools? Correct me if I'm wrong but talk about not wanting to assimilate.