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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Triggered Fridgekin View Post
    I believe the NDA lifts on the 28th.
    Two whole days before launch, great lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    I cant believe we dont have reviews yet. We have no idea how fast of memory to buy even, we have a few leaks from people but thats it. I could see a ton of people ordering 3000 or 3200 mhz ram just to get it and they can only run it at 2666, simply because the higher speed ram is the same price as the slow stuff right now.
    "Some notes on DDR4 memory for new Ryzen boards. "

    "Hi there


    Just to help educate a little.

    Ryzen is compatible with all current DDR4 memory and officially supports upto 3600MHz.

    However the sweet spot is 2400-2666MHz, this speed will work with all mainboards including cheaper options.

    3000MHz and above will ONLY work at such frequencies in the flagship mainboards like Asus Crosshair for example and even then the maximum stable speed we achieve with a lot of messing around was 3200MHz, which really makes 3000MHz the maximum speed we advise.

    Of course you could buy 3200 or even 3600 kit now, and just run it at a lower frequency with more aggressive CAS Timings and as BIOS updates come out then you might be able to achieve higher frequency.

    As such we recommend 2400-3000MHz kits for use with Ryzen, faster kits will work just fine but you might have to run them below the rated speed and just set the memory timings more aggressive. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
    Two whole days before launch, great lol.
    I have it in my head that they did the same thing with the RX series as well. AMD held their cards incredibly tight to their chest which did nothing but allow the hype train to go completely off the rails which was then met with a warm reception since it didn't meet the insane expectations some were hoping for.

    I'm sure they have their reasons but regardless of what they are it's really, really, really annoying.
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  4. #104
    Ya i saw that, but again that is a leak. I want REVIEWS DAMMIT lol. I especially want to see JJ from asus do a video because they have legit hundreds or maybe thousands of engineering samples they have tested, and know exactly how high they overclock and how well they hold memory speeds. Guess cant do shit til 28th, heh.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Synthaxx View Post
    99.99% of people purchasing processors don't want to overclock?

    Statistically, people buying processors know how to build an entire system as well. They're also looking at overclocking potential. The people purchasing CPU's in the midrange or above are also much more likely to have an interest in overclocking potential. The other demographic that primarily buy CPU's are those buying AIO chips such as APU's who are generally building media centers or secondary systems (such as home-office systems).

    If overclocking was an interest for only 0.01% of the population of those buying CPU's and building systems, motherboard and CPU manufacturers wouldn't still advertise unlocked multipliers or overclocking features.

    Before this forum had it's 'build help' subforum, it used to be fairly enthusiastic about benchmarking. Nowadays, it's super quiet and almost no one talks about that subject.
    The reason why they advertise it is because it's a vocal group. They can help to drive sales. It doesn't have a lot to do with the size of that market. It's all about how those people can impact their other sales. Tech sites are full of enthusiasts.

    You are looking at it from an enthusiast point of view. Processors aren't just purchased on their own and even the people who buy them on their own aren't necessarily overclockers (anecdote: I have 5 PC's at my house and 2 laptops and not one is overclocked. None of the people at my office who buy PC clones and assemble them themselves overclock).

    That's just the end users. What about the computer suppliers and small businesses that have an IT person on board? They will purchase a lot more custom PC's and they won't overclock at all. My office has 30 odd clone PC's, a lot of them are i7's, and none of them are overclocked. Businesses won't do that.

    Both of those also don't include the bigger businesses that have deals with AMD like HP or Microsoft. those guys also won't overclock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triggered Fridgekin View Post
    What I meant by being misinformed are those who think that overclocking in general means that instead of their processor lasting x years now only lasts a fraction of that time regardless of how much information or explanation you provide. I have a friend who has a K series processor and a Z series board with a damn Noctua U12S strapped on to it yet he is dead set on not touching anything because he firmly believes that even the auto-overclocking feature will kill his processor "super fast" and performance gains are not worth it.

    Degradation is real but some seem to use it as a silver bullet against overclocking at any level.

    Manually overclocking requires more knowledge and is dangerous if you're not sure about what you're doing but with the amount of pro-overclocking tools featured with Motherboards I'm assuming a fair chunk of overclockers go with the safer auto route which won't cook your system and gives decent results. It can be a little generous on voltage at which point you can either manually lower it or you can simply not worry about it because you'll likely replace the CPU long before the CPU shows signs of failure.
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  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Triggered Fridgekin View Post
    What I meant by being misinformed are those who think that overclocking in general means that instead of their processor lasting x years now only lasts a fraction of that time regardless of how much information or explanation you provide. I have a friend who has a K series processor and a Z series board with a damn Noctua U12S strapped on to it yet he is dead set on not touching anything because he firmly believes that even the auto-overclocking feature will kill his processor "super fast" and performance gains are not worth it.

    Degradation is real but some seem to use it as a silver bullet against overclocking at any level.

    Manually overclocking requires more knowledge and is dangerous if you're not sure about what you're doing but with the amount of pro-overclocking tools featured with Motherboards I'm assuming a fair chunk of overclockers go with the safer auto route which won't cook your system and gives decent results. It can be a little generous on voltage at which point you can either manually lower it or you can simply not worry about it because you'll likely replace the CPU long before the CPU shows signs of failure.
    Actually, you are the one who is "misinformed", you know why? You don't know jack shit about how a high voltage (and therefore temp) would affect CPU life, your guess is as good as your friends guess (because either one is a pure stipulation). What your "misinformed" friend does know right know thats concrete info, is that adding a few 100 extra MHz will not provide any meaningful performance gain, now that's concrete and can be measured real time. So if the risk is there, then why do it now? Instead wait a couple of years and OC the shit out of it when you actually do need that extra squeeze of performance.

  8. #108
    Rather large price cuts on Intel's lineup.. I'll be honest I expected something, but not cuts this big.. Things are getting interesting. Definitely refreshing to see AMD shake things up a bit, been stale for too long!

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    Quote Originally Posted by warrdaddy View Post
    Actually, you are the one who is "misinformed", you know why? You don't know jack shit about how a high voltage (and therefore temp) would affect CPU life, your guess is as good as your friends guess (because either one is a pure stipulation). What your "misinformed" friend does know right know thats concrete info, is that adding a few 100 extra MHz will not provide any meaningful performance gain, now that's concrete and can be measured real time. So if the risk is there, then why do it now? Instead wait a couple of years and OC the shit out of it when you actually do need that extra squeeze of performance.
    I'm not exactly sure where you got the impression that I don't know how high voltage and temps would affect the life of a CPU. I even straight out acknowledged that degradation is real so how could I not understand especially since I've been doing this since the Celeron 300A? More voltage = more heat = more electric resistance = quicker (to a point) "wear and tear"

    The point I was making is that it's not nearly as much of an issue as some make it out to be especially with auto-overclocking software in spite of the fault I previously mentioned. While I agree that there is no safe increase to voltage you can offset much of the increased heat with a better cooling solution which is why K series don't even ship with stock coolers and even now have a one-time K-series replacement plan in place in case you destroy it. For such an awful practice the industry sure is doing a lot to accommodate it.

    Like I said, some people see degradation as a silver bullet against overclocking regardless of reasoning or explanation. We're not talking about blindly applying 1.5v on a 6600K even with liquid cooling, we're talking 1.3v max with solid aftermarket cooling. You'll easily surpass your warranty period without worry and will likely have an entirely new system long before your processor dies from degradation. I would know, my overclocked E4400 box from 2008 is still working and I am sure many others can share similar stories.

    As for "not providing meaningful performance gain" (another typical reason against overclocking, 2 for 2) he plays Warcraft a lot which is pretty much the game where you'll see tangible performance gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Msshammy View Post
    Rather large price cuts on Intel's lineup.. I'll be honest I expected something, but not cuts this big.. Things are getting interesting. Definitely refreshing to see AMD shake things up a bit, been stale for too long!

    http://imgur.com/qjiyeXz
    From my understanding it's less of a price cut and more a manipulation of their prices since they're often discounted to those in the first place. Microcenter is generally the cheapest retailer too. I wouldn't know though.
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  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Msshammy View Post
    Rather large price cuts on Intel's lineup.. I'll be honest I expected something, but not cuts this big.. Things are getting interesting. Definitely refreshing to see AMD shake things up a bit, been stale for too long!

    http://imgur.com/qjiyeXz
    Here is my problem with this. Intel were happy to charge through there teeth before now. Intel drops the prices the moment AMD comes out with a competitive product. There was nothing stopping them charging less before.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Matter View Post
    There was nothing stopping them charging less before.
    profit obligations to their shareholders ?

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    Although the Ryzen processors are promising, I would like to see some reviews first. I think that AMD has a problem with overhyping their products before so I am going to hold off for now until the majority of the people have tested it.

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    I'll wait for reviews and benchmarks. As a wow player i need to know how single core performance is as wow can only use 1 core.

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    I had AMD's for the longest time.. no more. I happily fork out something more for a Intel now that I am grown up.

  15. #115
    whoever thinks the 1600x will outperform the 7600k in games is smoking some dank weedz. Id rather have the 4/8 vs the 6/12 cores if they turn out to be better in games. Peace

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by socialmaker View Post
    whoever thinks the 1600x will outperform the 7600k in games is smoking some dank weedz. Id rather have the 4/8 vs the 6/12 cores if they turn out to be better in games. Peace
    Considering we haven't even seen the 1600x, it's pretty silly to say it will loose to a 4 core 4 thread CPU. Now maybe you meant the 7700K, but we will have to see the way Ryzen reacts to overclocking and they aren't even in the same price category.

  17. #117
    1600X will destroy the 7600K and will likely be at least competitive, if not faster than 7700K in games .. or at worst not far behind in games that dont use more than 8 threads

    the true competitor for 1600X as the gaming king will be the 6c/12t Cannon Lake, if its true that Intel will do a mainstream hexacore .. i expect that to beat 1600X, but we will see


    also dont forget 1600X isnt out right now and wont have any reviews this week, only the octacores will and those are still overkill for games (and also more expensive, more difficult to cool, less OC) .. 1600X coming out in Q2

  18. #118
    Single Core performance puts 7600k 10% ahead of 1600x. Now depending how well the games are optimized it can't go AMD's favor unless games are optimized for 6 cores instead of 4. I don't see that happening unless for some titles like Ashes where things (in the best case scenario) would just even out.

    Based on the current preorders for the 1700-1800x there is a ~17% EU tax on top of the announced USD prices. Taking that correction here are the prices that will ship out:

    Ryzen 1600x announced price $259 (US) + 17% (EU) = $303 final price.
    Intel i5 7600k where i live is $273 as of today.

    So it comes down to preference but I'd rather get the 10% cheaper, 10% faster (I know I know let's wait for the actual results) safe bet processor.

    Cinebench solo core performance:


    I sincerely don't understand how people can advocate for a 3.3 - 3.7ghz boost processor to be better in games vs a 3.8 - 4.2 ghz processor. I'm all up for the competition, lowering prices and all that and I think it's a good move on AMD's end to push cheap quad core processors but let's be realistic.

    In the end they will be good processors on either side and I can't believe people will notice the difference tbh I switched from AMD (FX 8350 to Intel i5 6600) because AMD's processor ran World of Warcraft like shit. I know it's not AMDs problem but that was a deciding factor for me.

    For me personally there is no incentive to upgrade even if the AMD processors are 30% better in that price range. Not now at least but kudos for them and hoping they keep up the pace!

  19. #119
    4c/4t CPUs have been insufficient for gaming since at least 2015, if not late 2014

    4 threads are a joke right now if you want to max out stuff and keep a steady fps

    4c/8t like 4790K or 6700K/7700K are still good



    this is of course assuming you play any modern games (even 2015 titles make use of more than 4 threads) and not just WoW

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    3.3 - 3.7ghz boost processor
    the latest information says 1600X has a 4.0 Ghz boost, thats before XFR adds 100-150 more Mhz

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Life-Binder View Post
    4c/4t CPUs have been insufficient for gaming since at least 2015, if not late 2014

    4 threads are a joke right now if you want to max out stuff and keep a steady fps

    4c/8t like 4790K or 6700K/7700K are still good



    this is of course assuming you play any modern games (even 2015 titles make use of more than 4 threads) and not just WoW

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    the latest information says 1600X has a 4.0 Ghz boost, thats before XFR adds 100-150 more Mhz
    4c/8t is excessive for most of modern games. There are exceptions like Battlefield 1 or GTA 5, multi GPU configurations, but generally even a Pentium G4560 (which is 2c/4t) is able to handle most of modern games pretty well.
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