Why is there so much DH rage?

[Tezrex]

I was just wondering why there has been so much rage about Demon Hunters in pvp as of late. I'm referring to post nerfs of course because I do agree that they were over tuned. That being said, the standard pvp guage of where a class is as far as pvp viability is 3s arena. Currently (as of yesterday) only 3.2% of players above 2200 rating are demon hunters which is the 2nd lowest of any class. This information was found on arenamate.net which takes a pull of the pvp rankings every week.

On top of this, for overall game population DH is the highest represented class at 110 right now coming in at 12.2% in the US and 12.7% in EU according to realmpop.com. To go from the highest played class in the game to the 2nd lowest represented class in arena is a large drop. To emphasize this, rogues are the 2nd lowest played class in the game at 6.1% of the total population, but have a 10% representation in the 3v3 bracket above 2200.

I'm in no way asking for DH to get a buff right now, but in light of this information, why is there so much anger directed at the DH class currently? I see a lot of rage posts on the DH class forum on the official Blizzard site and have had several people go out of their way to flame me personally. I understand that DH has high burst, but well coordinated CC from comps such as RMX is very difficult to deal with because once our CD's are burnt we do lackluster damage and our CC kit is not very robust. The 1 min AoE stun is nice, however, it costs a significant amount of fury which reduces our ability to do damage and capitalize off of it. Yes we can talent into making that stun free, but we lose our snare which is infinitely more valuable for trying to keep up with healers such as monk and druid. We also have a sap that breaks on damage, or we can talent to make it 1 second longer and essentially become cyclone, but doing so doubles the CD to 30 seconds.

Once again, not looking for buffs here, just want to know what I'm missing that others seem to be so upset about.

[Hashtronaut]

They do twice the damage of every other class, press 2 buttons to do that damage and it's takes a brain with 4 neurons to play one successfully.

NERF 'EM to the ground.

[Socialhealer]

because it's not arena folks raging about DH's it's people in world pvp or random bg's getting caught by a DH 1v1 and the dh has literally endless gap closers so you can't kite them, and meta is just an i win button vs 95% of players the damage the self healing the stuns you can't really counter it.

so sure DH could probably use a buff for 3v3 but they could use a nerf for world pvp and 1v1. good luck doing that.

[Cempa]

because it's not arena folks raging about DH's it's people in world pvp or random bg's getting caught by a DH 1v1 and the dh has literally endless gap closers so you can't kite them, and meta is just an i win button vs 95% of players the damage the self healing the stuns you can't really counter it.

so sure DH could probably use a buff for 3v3 but they could use a nerf for world pvp and 1v1. good luck doing that.

...and that is supposed to be fun?

You realize they could easily fix all that but they don't want too ..

[Tezrex]

They do twice the damage of every other class, press 2 buttons to do that damage and it's takes a brain with 4 neurons to play one successfully.

NERF 'EM to the ground.

This is what I'm talking about though. Doing lots of damage is not something that causes an issue unless its so insane nothing can ever stop it (which is not the case because we only have a trinket for CC breaks) or its coupled with enough CC to neutralize someone completely.

Also, exaggerations like twice the damage of other classes doesn't help to make a point. If you are referring to a situation like Socialhealer mentioned, 1v1 in WPvP or alone in a BG, then you should also take into consideration that there is always going to be a class that is going to be the best at 1v1.

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so sure DH could probably use a buff for 3v3 but they could use a nerf for world pvp and 1v1. good luck doing that.

I think the WPvP nerf is going to be the resilience that all players are going to be getting in 7.2. Its going to make DH burst more manageable.

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...and that is supposed to be fun?

You realize they could easily fix all that but they don't want too ..

WPvP is going to be super off right now no matter what. With Mythic raiders walking around in 900+ ilvl, there are healers that could probably take down a lot of dps classes without batting an eyelash.

[Nnyco]

meta selfheal is just retarded, else i think they are fine

[l33t]

Also, exaggerations like twice the damage of other classes doesn't help to make a point. If you are referring to a situation like Socialhealer mentioned, 1v1 in WPvP or alone in a BG, then you should also take into consideration that there is always going to be a class that is going to be the best at 1v1.

If you want my humble opinion, a class that has to press literally two buttons to deal damage should never be best at anything. Rogue is the class that should be best @ 1v1, because rogue requires actual player skill to play properly, unlike that winged abomination.

[Mamut]

And the two buttons are? Because Im pretty sure Im using much more on my DH.

[Tezrex]

meta selfheal is just retarded, else i think they are fine

The meta self heals have been nerfed in pvp, also in order to gain much benefit from it you have to take a talent that gimps your survive overall due to your best defensive now being tied to your offensive ability, so when people are CCing you during meta, you gain 0 benefit from meta leech. Also, if you need a defensive, you now have to pop meta to save yourself and use your best DPS cooldown at an inopportune time.

[Hoeth]

You are thinking only with respect to 3vs3 arena, rather than random BGs. The vast majority of PVP happens in random BGs, and there you have relatively low skilled players, little to no coordination, sporadic healing, and almost zero peeling for ranged classes. Put all that together and very few classes/specs can deal with a DH, particularly 1vs1 (which is probably where 95+% of the bitching stems from).

It doesn't matter that all of the factors that make DH's overwhelming in random/1vs1 PVP can be neutralized by a skilled team, because none of that applies to the majority of PVPers. Its the same reason why you find very little overall complaining about rogues in PVP; rogues are great in a group situation when played by a skilled player, but they are pretty awful by your average casual PVPer in a random BG environment.

[Tezrex]

And the two buttons are? Because Im pretty sure Im using much more on my DH.

I agree there are more than 2 buttons, but people that don't play DH well aren't going to see it that way. It's the same that that happened when DK's came out. Everyone thought it was just oblit spam and howling blast. I'm not saying anything about how strong they were, just that they only had 2 buttons to push. 3 if you wanted to heal yourself, but people that actually played them knew there was more to it than that.

[Necromaniac]

meta selfheal is just retarded, else i think they are fine

So run away/cc/whatever them for 30 seconds and after that they are useless. Use pvp common sense here. DH's are just Meta-CD warriors. Once its on CD they aren't that hard to kill.

[kaintk]

classe for noob in legion, its why ;p you press two key and GG

[Tezrex]

You are thinking only with respect to 3vs3 arena, rather than random BGs. The vast majority of PVP happens in random BGs, and there you have relatively low skilled players, little to no coordination, sporadic healing, and almost zero peeling for ranged classes. Put all that together and very few classes/specs can deal with a DH, particularly 1vs1 (which is probably where 95+% of the bitching stems from).

It doesn't matter that all of the factors that make DH's overwhelming in random/1vs1 PVP can be neutralized by a skilled team, because none of that applies to the majority of PVPers. Its the same reason why you find very little overall complaining about rogues in PVP; rogues are great in a group situation when played by a skilled player, but they are pretty awful by your average casual PVPer in a random BG environment.

So is your stance that DH is fine except for those who lack skill or a coordinated team or that DH is too good because of its low skill floor? I feel like right now it has a low skill floor and low skill ceiling as far as class mechanics which is accurately represented by its domination of the lower skilled player base, but barely breaking into the bottom floor of the more skilled players.

[Ealyssa]

WPvP is going to be super off right now no matter what. With Mythic raiders walking around in 900+ ilvl, there are healers that could probably take down a lot of dps classes without batting an eyelash.

Our rdruid pretty much destroy anything in WPVP its actually fun to watch.

[Schmilblick]

They do twice the damage of every other class, press 2 buttons to do that damage and it's takes a brain with 4 neurons to play one successfully.

NERF 'EM to the ground.

Lol yeah, try harder kek lol.
ps: we are no more in 7.0.

[Hashtronaut]

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I'm talking from personal experience in all aspects of PvP arena,bgs, wpvp(which I don't give 2 shits about).
It is a problem because for the most part you can't stop their damage dh has a bunch of stuff to avoid cc (jump in the air for 5+ secs/ immune to everything for 10secs god knows why that exists).

On top of that they have mindlessly applied very strong ranges cc.

There's nothing about demonhunters that is correct, they do too much damage much too easily, have amazing mobility and top of the line cc. They're the definition of what's wrong with melee in PvP.

[BicycleMafioso]

So run away/cc/whatever them for 30 seconds and after that they are useless. Use pvp common sense here. DH's are just Meta-CD warriors. Once its on CD they aren't that hard to kill.

How are you supposed to run away from a class that chain stuns on you from start to finish, and god-forbid that you do get away, they have a near-infinite amount of gap-closers? And poor Rogues if they would try to get away, they get seen anyway. CC? You can't cast versus them. They have periods where they go immune to everything incoming (which is beyond dumb), their burst is very frontloaded so surviving against them, meta or not is not going to happen. They also have a super-charged evasion on a shorter cooldown, as well as several additional survivability cooldowns.

Are they a 2 button class? No. But the difference between someone pushing only four and someone playing their class to the best isn't that big. They might be fragile if you managed to get through all of their CDs and stuns, but that is only going to happen with a pocket healer. It is an incredibly stupid class design to make an insane 1v1/1v2-class that is outright bad for 3s.

I play what is probably the most fragile class in the game, I have less damage, I have fewer stuns (talent!) and I have less burst. Not to mention only having one survival cooldown.

[Krusza]

Because it's a retarded spec that people think they're good for playing because it does flips and stuff, unaware of how stupid their kit actually is. Outside of arena they're the most retarded spec in the game by a mile (perhaps tied with ret at the least).

They're like Riven mains in League.

[Ryzeth]

I agree there are more than 2 buttons, but people that don't play DH well aren't going to see it that way. It's the same that that happened when DK's came out. Everyone thought it was just oblit spam and howling blast. I'm not saying anything about how strong they were, just that they only had 2 buttons to push. 3 if you wanted to heal yourself, but people that actually played them knew there was more to it than that.

Not that I disagree with the post, but unholy was the OP spec when DK came out in S5+S6 (the seasons they were strong in before getting rightfully nerfed). Scourge strike was the thing that was, quite literally, hitting 50% of people's health whenever it crit. Back when people had like 23-24k hp tops in pvp. Ah, back when it scaled from diseases as well as everything else... Fun times.