Why is no one calling these people fascist?

[LaserSharkDFB]

Oh really and the left doesn't fear monger?

trump is going to bring on the apocalypse, trump will murder the US, Brexit is going to cause the fall of civilization, RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS will walk the street if trump wins.

Its just a different type of fear mongering that you believe its real.

Uh-huh. Now show me where the MSM actually said any of that. What's that, you were making shit up? How surprising.

Now let's talk about real things, like Fox pushing the lie that if you didn't buy health insurance, Obamacare would have you put in jail. Or Trump's narrative that refugees aren't vetted (they are, thoroughly) and Mexico is deliberately sending their rapists and murderers (they aren't). And do I even need to get into Alex Jones or Glenn Beck?

[Fencers]

Hm. Well, the demonstrators don't seem to be saying anything Nationalistic or Economic in their chanting/protest speech. Fascism is Nationalistic, Authoritarian and greatly concerned with the centralized, singular power to create Economic policy (self sustaining/closed). Typically Fascism has components of Elitism and Exceptionalism as well.

Based on the video provided the term Fascist would seem to sloppily applied here. They may be some form of religious extremists, zealots, authoritarians, or conservatives but none of those terms are strictly fascistic.

[Theodarzna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8U26AJtdao

I am talking specifically about the people in the street that day. Obviously #notall and while i know there is freedom of speech im sure that if british people would chant similar messages they would be labeled fascists . What do you guys think?

Also why don't mass media publications like The guardian or daily mail report about this?

Fascism is incredibly hard to define. It is said Fascisms definition is like trying to "Find a black cat in a dark room, and the room might be empty." Fascism, unlike say Marxism, lacks a central canon or genesis work that can help us understand its common meaning. Fascism is almost always a label someone gives, not one someone takes up and no two fascisms are alike.

The Islamic world has a lot of movements that appear similar. The calls for national renewal with the nation defined as ALL Muslims, or at least all Sunni Muslims. An Imperialistic aggressiveness, and desire to conquer and dominate enemies, and a radical assertion of the core identity.

But no two fascisms are ever the same or similar.

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Hm. Well, the demonstrators don't seem to be saying anything Nationalistic or Economic in their chanting/protest speech. Fascism is Nationalistic, Authoritarian and greatly concerned with the centralized, singular power to create Economic policy (self sustaining/closed). Typically Fascism has components of Elitism and Exceptionalism as well.

Based on the video provided the term Fascist would seem to sloppily applied here. They may be some form of religious extremists, zealots, authoritarians, or conservatives but none of those terms are strictly fascistic.

Culture context matters. If one defines the ecumenical community as "The Nation," which is often the case in Islam, as its frequently thought of as a Nation of its own, the issue is that no two fascisms will resemble one another.

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Based on the video provided the term Fascist would seem to sloppily applied here. They may be some form of religious extremists, zealots, authoritarians, or conservatives but none of those terms are strictly fascistic.

If one is to try to boil down fascism to some kind of root, its totalitarian, nationalistic, anti-democratic and violent.
Islam certainly fits the bill.


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[veehro]

Are you asking why FIVE YEAR OLD NEWS is not in The Guardian or Daily Mail?
I made it all caps so you don't miss it.

That's how the alt-right works: If they are too lazy to make up stuff, they will just repost things from years ago.

Did I mention anywhere that its a recent event?

You can youtube Luton and see more recent events if you like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YHkXvJanT8 <-- attacks vs a hindu man who parked his car in a muslim neighberhood

And no it has not gotten better

Also you think that there are only two options

Be against people disrespecting the laws and culture of your nation and not have the same laws and social stigma applied to them = alt right
People who completely ignore any of the cultural differences, think all cultures are equal, and we should have no open borders = every one else.

Here is a riddle for you actually

Alt right hate me, Social justice activists despise me, What am i?

[Miyagie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8U26AJtdao

I am talking specifically about the people in the street that day. Obviously #notall and while i know there is freedom of speech im sure that if british people would chant similar messages they would be labeled fascists . What do you guys think?

Also why don't mass media publications like The guardian or daily mail report about this?

In my hometown only 500 meter away from my house a muslim snapped out 4 years ago, he was walking up and down the street where he lived, kindergarden on one side 2 schools on the other side of the street. He was just shouting allahu akbar and was armed with a knife and a hammer but the evil police shoot him after trying to taser, pepperspray and even sending a K9 that got stabbed to death.

A few thousand people then marched through town and protested against policebrutality and some shouted the same bullshit.

[Fencers]

If one is to try to boil down fascism to some kind of root, its totalitarian, nationalistic, anti-democratic and violent.
Islam certainly fits the bill.

I would agree for the most part; single leader & controlled economy is also key to Fascism. In particular as concerns militant primarily or Islamic motivated groups.

However, as I said the video doesn't reveal any nationalism.

[Pickynerd]

Right-wing media has been nothing but fearmongering for decades now. Trump won on a pro-fear platform. Let me know when the MSM gets as bad as either of them, because they're nowhere close.

Lol.

I mean, I see it just the opposite, but whatever makes it so you can sleep at night, lets run with it.

[Fencers]

Culture context matters. If one defines the ecumenical community as "The Nation," which is often the case in Islam,

I am confused by your meaning here- ecumenical pertains to Christianity. Or are you extending the concept to Islam? I am not sure this makes sense.

Though in any case, they are still lacking key aspects in the video that allow for Fascism- as I already pointed out.

[LaserSharkDFB]

Lol.

I mean, I see it just the opposite, but whatever makes it so you can sleep at night, lets run with it.

I mean, if you can refute my points with any facts at all, be my guest.

[Theodarzna]

I am confused by your meaning here- ecumenical pertains to Christianity. Or are you extending the concept to Islam? I am not sure this makes sense.

Though in any case, they are still lacking key aspects in the video that allow for Fascism- as I already pointed out.

They lack a central leader or defining party.

But in terms of national renewal ideology, desire for conquest and global dominance, ect. they have similarities. But I think the term "Fascist," is a junk term with no precise meaning.

And Yes I was extending it into an islamic context.

[veehro]

Now show me where the MSM actually said any of that

Trump wants war and WW3 will happen

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-Lewis-experts
http://www.ibtimes.com/will-world-wa...sraeli-2467048

Trump brings DAAAARK~~~ tidings

https://newrepublic.com/article/1399...trump-dark-age
http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjam...dark-inaugural
https://qz.com/890414/trump-inaugura...america-first/
http://www.vox.com/2017/1/21/1434060...story-dystopia
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/...cks-washington
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/cnn-now-...conic-gigantic

Oh and lets not forget the "muh russian hackers" while the oponent hillary was taking money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Oh and lets not focus about what the actual information was revealed by the "hacks" or why was the security for podesta so lax that he got hacked in the first place.

Brexit doom

https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...rier=accessreg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...orst-1920.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b04e1174a50f4f
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...truction-surge
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7161976.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/b...on-win-9693669 yes even the music is in peril
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...leave-campaign


Yeah you're absolutely right no fear mongering what so ever. The leftist press are just good and nice people who have no agenda and are just there to talk about the facts with no sensationalism or scare tactics whatsoever

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Fascism is incredibly hard to define.

Fascism is incredibly easy to define, it's the movement and ideology created by Benito Mussolini, of "third-way" authoritarian nationalism (copying the wrong ideals of the Augustus Caesar).

Regarding the video, they aren't fascists, they are theocratic extremists.

[Theodarzna]

Fascism is incredibly easy to define, it's the movement and ideology created by Benito Mussolini, of "third-way" authoritarian nationalism (copying the wrong ideals of the Augustus Caesar).

Mussolini is probably the only real Fascist as he was the only one who adopted the label himself.

[Video Games]

Is Muslim bashday today ?

Don't see why not since in muslim countries everyday is bash day.

[veehro]

If you intentionally post 5 year old videos to bait people into a discussion it's pure trolling.

Point is that this was covered. People do speak out against that behaviour.

The video is relevant because it shows fascist ideology and every one can see the date of the video as it is not hidden

Our culture superior to yours. Strict gender roles for women. Conservative and highly religious attitudes. Imposed dress codes.

So yeah my question is why are they not labeled fascists and guilty of hate speech why some one as UKIP is considered fascists ?

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Mussolini is probably the only real Fascist as he was the only one who adopted the label himself.

Not only adopted, created. "Fasci Italiani di Combattimento" was his combat organization, which adopted the fascio as a symbol.

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If one is to try to boil down fascism to some kind of root, its totalitarian, nationalistic, anti-democratic and violent.
Islam certainly fits the bill.

A religion can't be nationalistic, it goes against one of the main pillars, conversion of the others.

[veehro]

Fascism is incredibly easy to define, it's the movement and ideology created by Benito Mussolini, of "third-way" authoritarian nationalism (copying the wrong ideals of the Augustus Caesar).

Regarding the video, they aren't fascists, they are theocratic extremists.

You are aware of clerical fascism? It started in spain first but it spread in the middle east.

if you want to know the history of it you can use google scholar but if you just want a very fast rundown hitler sponsored Haj Amin al Husseini the muslim brotherhood because he wanted troops in the middle east that could act as a foreign legion and also spies. While the mufti really liked Hitlers vision of the world and hatred of jews.
After ww2 america sponsored the muslim brotherhood in the cold war using them against the russians

After they gained to power they spread their ideology through out many dictatorships in the middle east. Its why you see mein kampf being a best seller in the middle east and its why you see the nazi salute done by many muslim people including the rebel forces of syria, iran , isis, hamas etc

http://www.fortressoffaith.org/wp-co...NaziSalute.png
http://www.fortressoffaith.org/wp-co...aluteAgain.jpg
http://www.cfns.org/wp-content/uploa...zz51391586.jpg
http://www.billionbibles.org/photos/...i%20Salute.jpg


http://www.billionbibles.org/photos/...olf-Hitler.jpg


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[Fencers]

They lack a central leader or defining party.

But in terms of national renewal ideology, desire for conquest and global dominance, ect. they have similarities. But I think the term "Fascist," is a junk term with no precise meaning.

Not sure how Fascist is a junk term as we have actual examples of Fascism in practice, documentation, philosophy and so on that is voluminous on the political goals and ideology of Fascism.

We know exactly what Fascism is actually; in the same manner we know exactly the components of Communism, Socialism, Contractarianism, et cetera. That there is blending on political philosophies in the 20th and 21st century does not delete what Locke, Rawls, Franco and so on, developed.

[veehro]

A religion can't be nationalistic, it goes against one of the main pillars, conversion of the others.

Islam is the exception. Because unlike most religions besides the supernatural element with god djins and how people should be a good muslim, islam is also a guideline on how to set up a nation, including sharia law, the law that needs to govern that nation

It says clearely that non muslims should be persecuted either through force conversions, killings or forcing them to pay a tax. (its why you dont see any christians in syria anymore)

The new nation that would be funded would be the islamic califate and it would encompass the entire world and only then it would be peace.

ofcourse the issue comes that even if that would happen muslims would still attack each other because the accusation "you're not a real muslim" caries heavy weight in the middle east.
its why you see the shia the sunni and the kurds attacking each other