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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    So you are against immigration then?

    Its a war. In war people die.
    Indeed.

    " It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it." --- Robert E. Lee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berengil View Post
    Indeed.

    " It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it." --- Robert E. Lee
    Agree. My problem with the way we currently handle war can be summed up as such.

    War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    http://reut.rs/2nwLPn4

    This is just speculation on Twitter, but a horrific use of U.S. resources if true:
    http://i.imgur.com/FpWumTE.jpg
    https://twitter.com/sakirkhader/stat...80710606864384

    *inb4 Putinistas are perfectly happy with taking the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights at their word when the U.S. might be responsible for civilian casualites.
    More like saying you got bit in the ass by your own propaganda buddies you mean? Did you stop paying their salaries after Russia stomped out most terrorists in Syria n they got someone else to pay for their propaganda?

    No, won't give credence to hacks just because they happen to speak out against the US


    http://www.rt.com/news/319444-russia...edia-ministry/

    War of Words: Russian Foreign Ministry calls out MSM reports on hospital strike in Syria.

    23 Oct, 2015 03:53

    The Russian Foreign Ministry has disputed Western media reports accusing Russia of hitting a field hospital in northwestern Syria and killing 13 people. The reports cited “sources” provided by the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).

    Foreign Ministry spokesperson, Maria Zakharova, stressed that such reports show tremendous bias towards Russia’s military efforts in Syria.

    “There are so-called mass media reports which allege that Russian aircraft bombed a field hospital in the Idlib Governorate in northwestern Syria and reportedly killed 13 people. I cannot say that these reports are written by journalists but their ingenuity delights,” Zakharova, told reporters.

    She questioned the credentials of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, pointing out that it is based in Britain and has no direct access to the ground in Syria.

    “This information appears with reference to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights based in London. As we all understand, it is very ‘convenient’ to cover and observe what is happening in Syria without leaving London and without the ability to collect information in the field,” Zakharova added.

    She said that Russia’s role in the Syrian conflict is aimed “primarily” at “protecting civilians,” while “terrorist groups” continue to receive “reinforcements of people” and “equipment from abroad,” which is a “very dangerous tendency.”

    “These facts raise a question as to whether parties involved in the Syrian conflict are really interested in a peaceful settlement and how this goal is reconciled with financial and technical support for anti-government armed groups, including those who directly cooperate with terrorists,” she said during a briefing.

    MSM attacks on Russia

    Since joining the fight against Islamic State, Russia’s efforts in Syria have been repeatedly attacked by the Western mainstream media, which have published manyunconfirmed reports employing scaremongering tactics.

    AFP, a French media outlet, was responsible for publishing a piece titled 13 Dead as Russia strike hits Syria field hospital: monitor. The source in the story was identified as the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which is run by one man – Rami Abdulrahman. Just recently, Abdulrahman told RT that the last time he had been in Syria was 15 years ago and that all the information for his reports is taken from “some of the Observatory activists” who he knows “through common friends.”

    In the past, Rahman has said he relies on sources on the ground, who are among the US funded Syrian rebels.

    Shortly after the report appeared, a video emerged showcasing the exact moment of the alleged Russian hospital strike. The video was uploaded by activists known as White Helmets – a rebel group which has already been caught faking evidence of civilian deaths supposedly caused by Russian strikes.

    Meanwhile, Russia said it struck a meeting place of terrorist leaders in northwestern Syria. The Russian Defense Ministry specified that it had used a KAB-500 bomb.

    “A Sukhoi Su-34 bomber attacked the installation with a guided KAB-500 air bomb, which wiped the target out with everything that was inside,” MoD’s spokesman, Major General Igor Konashenkov said on Wednesday.
    Despite the power of the explosion, a cameraman in the posted video runs through only a small cloud of dust.

    Experts have questioned the authenticity of the video posted by the rebels, stating that it is physically impossible to film such a powerful explosion from a few meters away and survive.

    “It didn’t look like an aerial bomb dropped from an airplane. It appeared to come from an angle and the angle of the explosion appeared to be more like artillery,” a former policy analyst for the US Defense Department, Michael Maloof, told RT.

    This kind of unreliable reporting is just one of the latest examples. Earlier, the Turkish military released a statement saying that it had downed an unidentified drone in Turkish airspace after issuing the aircraft 3 warnings.

    It was not long before reports suggested it was Russian and being used to collect information. However, a Russian drone manufacturer denied the reports, calling the photos of the allegedly downed drone part of a poorly-staged “informational provocation.”

    Other baseless accusations quickly followed, including British newspapers speculating that Royal Air Force Tornado jets operating in Iraq were to be equipped with air-to-air missiles and that their pilots had been cleared to fire on “Vladimir Putin’s jets” in the case of an imminent threat.

    Moscow issued a formal request to the British Foreign Office, demanding an explanation. The answer came in a news blog, when the UK’s MoD’s spokesperson wrote that “There is no truth in this story.”

    Another CNN story suggested that several Russian cruise missiles targeting Islamic State positions in Syria had landed in Iran. Citing two unnamed “top US officials,” the American broadcaster reported that four Russian missiles had crashed somewhere in Iran after being launched from vessels in the Caspian Sea.

    The Russian Defense Ministry refuted the report, stating that missiles had hit their intended targets. “Unlike CNN, we don't distribute information citing anonymous sources, but show the very missile launches and the way they hit their targets almost in real time,” Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Arthur Dayne View Post
    More like saying you got bit in the ass by your own propaganda buddies you mean? Did you stop paying their salaries after Russia stomped out most terrorists in Syria n they got someone else to pay for their propaganda?

    No, won't give credence to hacks just because they happen to speak out against the US
    I like how you're using literal Kremlin propaganda to make an argument about propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    War is messy, you will always have civilian casualties. How many British, German, Russian citizens died during the seemingly endless bombing runs during WWII? How many Japanese citizens died in the Tokyo Fire bombings?

    Warfare today is not black and white? The people firing upon our soldiers dont wear uniforms to proudly display the side they are fighting for. How many supposed "civilians" were actually rebels fighting against us?

    Syria is a messy situation, you have the Assad Forces which include Russia, Iran, and Hezballah; you have the rebels which are fractured into groups that include ISIS, Hamas and the rebel groups that include The FSA (Free Syria Army), the Kurds, Turkey, Saudi Arabia & the US (and Allies). It is enough to make your head spin. Who is to know who is killing who especially with the US supplying arms to many different groups we are fighting with as well.
    Shouldnt that be a main reason to END wars for once? War is obviously a symptom of human fail...

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    The attack was a net loss. Sure it was a victory to the cynical today because we killed x amount of terrorist hiding among the innocent. But it just granted them a 100 new terrorist to replace them by the slaughter of innocents and the damage to the religious site. So sure for about 45 seconds their side was weakened but for the next 6 months they will only grow stronger from the strike.

    I guess the good news for the US is most of them will just go to Europe and blow themselves up there. Welcoming arms get the vest bomb.

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    No wonder people turn radicals, imagine someone bombing your family (who are innocent) and calls it 'oops collateral'. I understand where the hate is coming from, unfortunately the media will only paint the picture they want (i.e. emphasise on western attacks more than others). I think we all know that bombings and such happen on almost a daily basis in these countries, yet if one falls on a western country the entire region comes to a still stand.

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    Pentagon said the mosque is still there and the site bombed is across the street to the mosque not it itself. The picture in link has mosque still standing.Seems like the Syria dude is just a propaganda machine and estern media is eating it up.

    In a statement following the new conference, the Pentagon said intelligence indicated that the building that was struck was a "partially constructed community meeting hall" that was used by al Qaeda leaders "as a place to educate and indoctrinate" militants.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...-idUSKBN16O26S
    Last edited by GreenJesus; 2017-03-18 at 12:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariovsgoku View Post
    Pentagon said the mosque is still there and the site bombed is across the street to the mosque not it itself. The picture in link has mosque still standing.Seems like the Syria dude is just a propaganda machine and estern media is eating it up.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...-idUSKBN16O26S
    Site across the mosque is also mosque... smaller one, intact is "old" one, and the one that got bombed is new one.

    Check this:
    Bellingcat: CONFIRMED: US Responsible for Aleppo Mosque Bombing

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    They call it a burr. In the reverse camp everyone would have spoken of bombing..
    Last edited by mmoc74b1cd36eb; 2017-08-02 at 10:08 AM.

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    See, the problem is how do I know the locals saying they weren't terrorists aren't terrorists themselves? Or, are they trying to spread propaganda around by claiming the terrorists were actually innocents. Or is the US trying to save face and not look like they screwed up? In Syrian's eyes, maybe people the US label are terrorists are "freedom fighters". I have no real idea who to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Site across the mosque is also mosque... smaller one, intact is "old" one, and the one that got bombed is new one.

    Check this:
    Bellingcat: CONFIRMED: US Responsible for Aleppo Mosque Bombing
    Bellingcat? Known propaganda source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhoof View Post
    Bellingcat? Known propaganda source.
    Obviously they are.

    Still, they have decent compilation of facts about that particular spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    We live in a global economy. US oil pipelines are built with Chinese steel. I was simply claiming ignorance because I didn't know for sure. Would you rather I make strong claims on topics I know nothing about on the basis of conjecture?
    How long have you been here, 5 minutes? That's what 99% of these people do.
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