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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by sheggaro View Post
    It's very different. Al Qaeda is targeting innocents, we're targeting the guilty who hide among civilians.
    You are both supporting the targeting of innocents. According to AQ, Americans are guilty. Congratulations, you just rationalized the murderous actions of 9/11. You support the murdering of innocent people, and you clearly have no knowledge of what has happened in the Middle East over the past 40 years.

    Bottom line, you support the murder of innocent people.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by sheggaro View Post
    It's very different. Al Qaeda is targeting innocents, we're targeting the guilty who hide among civilians.
    "We had to destroy the village in order to save it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You are both supporting the targeting of innocents. According to AQ, Americans are guilty. Congratulations, you just rationalized the murderous actions of 9/11. You support the murdering of innocent people, and you clearly have no knowledge of what has happened in the Middle East over the past 40 years.

    Bottom line, you support the murder of innocent people.
    It's only when you think intentions, motives and how we act doesn't matter that you could possibly see any similarity. In other words you're grasping at straws.

    But sure let's play devil's advocate. AQ, ISIS and other terrorists want to kill us. We want them dead. So we kill them and we win. End of story.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    "We had to destroy the village in order to save it"
    And people wonder why they stopped treating Americans like saviors in Iraq...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheggaro View Post
    It's very different. Al Qaeda is targeting innocents, we're targeting the guilty who hide among civilians.
    they say we are guilty.

    We say they are guilty.

    They throw a grenade at us.

    We throw a grenade at them.

    We get them.

    They get us.

    We both get the random guy who wanted nothing to with this also.

    Too bad so sad right for the random guy.

    But thats not the point.

    We know we can logically reach the conclusion that that the terrorists are bad guys.
    But following the above steps. can we claim that we are "oh so civilized/modern/and glorious liberators"?
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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by sheggaro View Post
    It's only when you think intentions, motives and how we act doesn't matter that you could possibly see any similarity. In other words you're grasping at straws.
    I'm pointing out your disgusting support of murdering innocent people. You seem to think not wanting to kill innocent people is a weakness. ISIS also believes that, as does Al Qaeda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    While the usage of drones increased under Obama so did the rules on how they were used. Both things can be true.
    Yes but early on in his administration he caught shit for that collateral damage.

    I'm just pointing out that things haven't changed that much.

    1 pres is as good or as bad as another.

    Some kids like to noob tube... some like sit in a corner and snipe your ass... kills are kills, and those 25 killstreak packages are bullshit.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by sheggaro View Post
    It's only when you think intentions, motives and how we act doesn't matter that you could possibly see any similarity. In other words you're grasping at straws.

    But sure let's play devil's advocate. AQ, ISIS and other terrorists want to kill us. We want them dead. So we kill them and we win. End of story.
    Going abroad in search of monsters is a good way to be in a forever war.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by sheggaro View Post
    It's only when you think intentions, motives and how we act doesn't matter that you could possibly see any similarity. In other words you're grasping at straws.

    But sure let's play devil's advocate. AQ, ISIS and other terrorists want to kill us. We want them dead. So we kill them and we win. End of story.
    You support both the means and the end?

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Partysaurus Rex View Post
    Yes but early on in his administration he caught shit for that collateral damage.

    I'm just pointing out that things haven't changed that much.

    1 pres is as good or as bad as another.

    Some kids like to noob tube... some like sit in a corner and snipe your ass... kills are kills, and those 25 killstreak packages are bullshit.
    Trump has been opening up the use of drone strikes and is in the early stages of returning that power to the CIA. So no.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And people wonder why they stopped treating Americans like saviors in Iraq...
    Machismo, meet Wells, Wells, Machismo

    Stick it to the man!
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  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Lillyth View Post
    This is to blame on ISIS. They are using innocent people to hide behind, they are setting up weapon caches in mosques on purpose because they knew how the west would react to this.
    Yep, these jihadist rebels need to fear for their life where they live if this war is to be won. They felt safe during Obama's fake bombing campaign. These rebels send suicide bombers into damascus all the time.

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    It's at the point where this is commonplace enough to be expected as sad as it might be that Civilians were involved, generally Targets are chosen for good reason and those reason often justify collateral damage if the situation calls for it.

    As the Joker said, nobody blinks an Eye when its "all part of the Plan"

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Machismo, meet Wells, Wells, Machismo

    Stick it to the man!
    Did you really think I was advocating wanton destruction? Are you unaware of the history of that quote?

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Did you really think I was advocating wanton destruction? Are you unaware of the history of that quote?
    Why are you an Machismo automatically assuming the US did it? When normal Americans are assuming the Russians did it since they are bombing everything in site?
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Why are you an Machismo automatically assuming the US did it? When normal Americans are assuming the Russians did it since they are bombing everything in site?
    We're discussing Shegarro's abhorrent foreign policy position. Its a three page thread, why are you confused?

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    We're discussing Shegarro's abhorrent foreign policy position. Its a three page thread, why are you confused?
    For staying on topic?
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  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Why are you an Machismo automatically assuming the US did it? When normal Americans are assuming the Russians did it since they are bombing everything in site?
    Did i make any assumptions? Nope. In fact, I have not decided who did it, because I don't have enough information on the issue, as of yet. I tend to question things that are posted on Twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    Considering the deaths of innocents is weakness? What the fuck is wrong with you?
    You dont win wars with that mindset. Its why we never finished and won a war since WW2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You are both supporting the targeting of innocents. According to AQ, Americans are guilty. Congratulations, you just rationalized the murderous actions of 9/11. You support the murdering of innocent people, and you clearly have no knowledge of what has happened in the Middle East over the past 40 years.

    Bottom line, you support the murder of innocent people.
    Aaaaand the dumbest analogy ever raises its ugly head again. ISIS tries to maximize civilian casualties; whoever is bombing Aleppo tries to - if not minimize - at least limit civilian casualties. If it's Russia or the U.S. , they could kill every last civilian in that wothless hole if they actually wanted to.

    The message that terrorists hiding in hospitals or mosques are not immune from prosecution isn't pretty, but it needs to be delivered.

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