Breaking: Confirmation that trump team was spied on

[Noxx79]

interesting spins on the facts that are available for all to see.

Truth is "spin"?

Is Incidental or Incidentally too big a word for you to understand?

[NYC17]

interesting spins on the facts that are available for all to see.

So you're claiming Nunes saying "this is probably fine" and normal, literally his own words, is somehow the words of some all encompassing "left"?

Sometimes I really do wonder if people are capable of comprehending their own thoughts.

[Bullettime]

He also said it was not incidental data related to spying on Russia. So we will have to wait and see how it was "incidentally" retrieved. If it wasn't incidentally retrieved when spying on Russians, then where did it come from? And why was it making it with names exposed onto security reports?

An investigation into a Russian money laundering operation doesn't contain only Russians.

[Narwal]

No. That's not what it means. It could mean that, but Nunes himself didn't even make that claim.

Just stop it. Seriously..haha.

Right now we're talking about what it "could" mean, because we don't know yet. However, it means that there could be more behind the curtain, if you take Nunes at word that this is something "new" to this story.

[NYC17]

He also said it was not incidental data related to spying on Russia. So we will have to wait and see how it was "incidentally" retrieved. If it wasn't incidentally retrieved when spying on Russians, then where did it come from? And why was it making it with names exposed onto security reports?

We don't know, right? That's the point. The man who is the source is saying that this isn't related to that, yet it's fine and normal. He wouldn't be saying it's fine and normal if it was a result of some nefarious plot now would he?

In fact his problem isn't that it happened. It's that it happened, and names were supposedly "unmasked". He's trying to use this as a way of putting more focus on the leaks and away from Trump's bullshit.

Come on man. Jesus.

[Narwal]

An investigation into a Russian money laundering operation doesn't contain only Russians.

When you're tapping peoples phones, and you don't have a court order, it better mean the only phones you're tapping are foreign. Nunes seems to be hinting this was data clearly not collected based on a foreign call.

[BrerBear]

interesting spins on the facts that are available for all to see.

There are two types of rubes Nunes was targeting with this stunt.
Folks who don't understand the facts and will take this as proof of something it is not.
Folks who know Nunes isn't claiming this is vindicating Trump's claims, but are happy to repeat them to cloud the issue anyways.

Which one are you?

[NYC17]

Right now we're talking about what it "could" mean, because we don't know yet. However, it means that there could be more behind the curtain, if you take Nunes at word that this is something "new" to this story.

You didn't say what it could mean. You stated that because X happened it meant the target was American, which would be illegal.

You're the only one making that claim. Nunes isn't.

[LaserSharkDFB]

In this case, there are new documents that show more Trump names were exposed based on incidental data, that this republican is saying "was not related to the russians in anyway". That means his claim is that the target of the data collection was an American. Which makes it unlawful as spying on an American.

Unless, of course, the target of their investigation was a foreign national that didn't happen to be Russian.

Nunes told reporters the collection appeared to be "normal" and "all legally collected foreign intelligence under" the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA.

"I believe it was all done legally. I think it was all obtained legally. The question is was it masked," Nunes told reporters earlier in the day.

If it was (A) legal and (B) collected under FISA, then the person they were investigating was not a US citizen. There's literally no other way it could have happened. We won't know the exact context until we find out more about the intercepts, but you have exactly zero proof that the subject of the investigation was an American.

[stabetha]

Which brings us back to the incidental data collection, which doesn't fall under whatever argument you're trying to make.

Just to be clear, you know who called this incidental collection? Devin Nunes.

but the names of people picked up in incidental data collection are masked, the problem here is someone ordered specific names from the trump transition team to be unmasked, which is a felony.

[Narwal]

We don't know, right? That's the point. The man who is the source is saying that this isn't related to that, yet it's fine and normal. He wouldn't be saying it's fine and normal if it was a result of some nefarious plot now would he?

In fact his problem isn't that it happened. It's that it happened, and names were supposedly "unmasked". He's trying to use this as a way of putting more focus on the leaks and away from Trump's bullshit.

Come on man. Jesus.

Sure I get that, he's saying that incidental data is collected all the time. What you do with it is a matter of breaking the law, or not.

[Deleted]

Truth is "spin"?

Is Incidental or Incidentally too big a word for you to understand?

please refer to the english language and retry your comment. it makes no sense.

[BrerBear]

When you're tapping peoples phones, and you don't have a court order, it better mean the only phones you're tapping are foreign. Nunes seems to be hinting this was data clearly not collected based on a foreign call.

What leads you to believe there was no court order?
Nunes stated it wasn't part of the Russia investigation. That leaves other foreign taps, or criminal suspects.

[NYC17]

but the names of people picked up in incidental data collection are masked, the problem here is someone ordered specific names from the trump transition team to be unmasked, which is a felony.

The issue with that seems to be that the names were masked, but Nunes was able to figure it out regardless. So no, as of now that isn't the issue.

[gyrados]

this sure makes interesting tv all we need now is some popcorn

[Xandrigity]

Well this is an interesting development. Look at FBI scramble to try and explain this away.

*popcorn*

[NYC17]

Sure I get that, he's saying that incidental data is collected all the time. What you do with it is a matter of breaking the law, or not.

As of now this is where it stands. This is subject to change.

-This asshole, who was on the transition team, is investigating things related to the transition team and campaign.

-He read a report that contained masked names, but because he worked on the transition team, he was in the unique position to figure out who they were regardless of the masking.

-Instead of briefing his fellow committee members, he goes to the White House and briefs the president because it "bothered" him.

-He states this is all normal and fine, despite his actions not being normal and fine.

Who is the problem here? Devin. Fuckin. Nunes.

[BrerBear]

As of now this is where it stands. This is subject to change.

-This asshole, who was on the transition team, is investigating things related to the transition team and campaign.

-He read a report that contained masked names, but because he worked on the transition team, he was in the unique position to figure out who they were regardless of the masking.

-Instead of briefing his fellow committee members, he goes to the White House and briefs the president because it "bothered" him.

-He states this is all normal and fine, despite his actions not being normal and fine.

Who is the problem here? Devin. Fuckin. Nunes.

Nunes just proved he is conflicted and cannot be trusted in this position.
As if we didn't already know... Nunes claimed to not even know who Carter Page was.

[satimy]

Thread title is a lie.
Do you not know what the word "incidentally" means?

"...on numerous occasions, the intelligence community incidentally collected information about US citizens involved in the Trump transition."

We already know this was done. That's how Flynn got caught. The intelligence community taps foreign sources and criminal suspects, and that's how they found out that Flynn was communicating with the Russians.

It does not say that:
1) Obama ordered anything
2) The Trump team was targeted

Nunes ran to brief the White House about this information before even informing his committee. This was a big no-no by Nunes. It is not going to end well for him.

Do you understand how FISA intelligence is gathered? US people are "masked" or covered so they are anonymous because no warrant has been issued. They can only be unmasked by supposedly a handful of people at the CIA, NSA and FBI. The information was unmasked and then also leaked to the media, thats a big NO NO.

[Deleted]

Time to clean out those ears and listen again. He specifically stated the opposite

I've already clarified as to why I initially thought this way.

However I am happy to admit that after I had the matter explained to me, I am again on the fence and have not made up my mind on anything.