Will the UK be weaker or stronger once out of EU???

[Kallisto]

Lust for power is usually not a trait people admire.

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Well if the EU wishes to punish people for exercising a legal right to leave, than fuck the EU and they are better off outside that organization.

Not having the perks of being in the EU while not being in the EU is not being punished. It's called not being part of the club/

As for Switzerland/Norway/Iceland. It's pretty much "Follow the EU rules and have no say in how it is run if you want to have full access to our market and not be a member."

[Theodarzna]

Not having the perks of being in the EU while not being in the EU is not being punished. It's called not being part of the club/

As for Switzerland/Norway/Iceland. It's pretty much "Follow the EU rules and have no say in how it is run if you want to have full access to our market and not be a member."

If the EU wishes to bully people around than its less of a club and more of a playground thug.

[Deleted]

Who much weight can they carry within EU and how much out of it? What is this undefined term here? Strong as in "china will care if UK says UK first and raises taxes on china products?" Well sorry the answer is very obvious depending on how you define it...

[Wyrt]

They don't really gain anything by leaving, but they could lose a lot depending on what deals they can negotiate with the EU.

[Aggrophobic]

Weaker in the short run. In the long run? No one knows. It's likely that it will be a problem for the UK as long as the EU remains so it could very well end up hurting the UK for many years.

[Deleted]

A single country on an isolated rock and with no benefits like access to a massive market? What could possible go wrong?

No worries, you guys did this before in 1825. Now you can act in your very own real life David Copperfield story. GOOD TIMES!

[ati87]

Outside of fantasy and speculation about how the EU is going to end do you know what the proof is that the EU makes individual countries stronger? When you have Trump and his advisers want to make a trade deal specifically with Germany and not the EU.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...alks-EU-excuse
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/17/trump...-changing.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...e-of-eu-2017-3

It's about leverage and the reason why Trump dislikes Germany is because Germany is smart enough to understand the difference between their own individual leverage and the power of the EU as a whole.

[Deleted]

Weaker at first, but since I doubt the EU has another 10 years the UK could eventually come out on top by already being ahead of the curve (since they already went through the hard times at that point and everyone else only just begins to suffer through it).

[Noradin]

If it joins a similar trade deal with the US, it wil be better off. We won't require them to take our illegals and provide welfare ala Eastern Europe.

If they join a similar trade deal with the US then they will definitively be off worse, socially.

[Rotted]

I'd say it's dependent on location,

For example, take South Wales, they get a massive amount of funding in the from EU (and the idiots voted to leave majority) the government have already said they won't be replacing that - funny enough it wasn't until the results that a Welsh MP turned around and said "We will get money lost from else where right?"

In North Wales where I work in summer, we get a lot of our trade from tourists from the EU. Now I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I'd imagine once it goes through, it's going to be more difficult for people to come over? Well maybe not more difficult just more hoops to jump through, I can see that deterring a lot of tourists. Which sadly means we end up with all the Birmingham trash only

[Noradin]

Found a video about some proffessor called Patrick Minford, he says its better to leave the eu and here why:

He seems to have a very limited point of view on the matter, he even says so himself just at the beginning: He hasn't really looked into it because he choose to fokus on other things. Basically he admits to having looked at at the EU-UK relationship excluding all the benefits.
Unsurprisingly that leads him to believe the UK would be better off out.

Edit: Having watched the whole thing I must say he comes across as outright incoherent and certainly uninformed being unable or unwilling to answer the most basic questions. How did he become professor in the first place? Or is he simply senile now and did have a clue in his youth?

I must of misread the numerous articles of Brits not wanting welfare desiring and low wage working Eastern Europeans coming en mass.

Did you accidentially quote the wrong post?
Your sentence has nothing to do with the one you did quote.

As we all know, the battle of Britain will recommence because without the merciful guiding light and protection of radiant and perfect EUtopia, WW2 will restart as it has in all areas not graced by the radiance of the eternal Commission.

You are trying too hard.

[Deleted]

It's about leverage and the reason why Trump dislikes Germany is because Germany is smart enough to understand the difference between their own individual leverage and the power of the EU as a whole.

Agree but the reverse is even more terrible for Trump: If he want's to make a deal with ANY EU country he will know that Germany and the other big EU countries will stem whatever tiny country he deals with. That's the point of the EU and what makes its members "available" on a global market.

[Noradin]

Well if the EU wishes to punish people for exercising a legal right to leave, than fuck the EU and they are better off outside that organization.

"Not being interested in giving out favourable terms" is dealing out punishment now?

[d00mGuArD]

Those major world powers that you hear about all the time.

Norway and Switzerland may not be superpowers but they are constantly ranked high in the "best country to live in" lists

[Flarelaine]

I must of misread the numerous articles of Brits not wanting welfare desiring and low wage working Eastern Europeans coming en mass.

None of whom were illegal.

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Or you know, they will do what Switzerland and Norway and Iceland do.

You mean accept EU rules without a say in them?

[Pannonian]

Norway and Switzerland may not be superpowers but they are constantly ranked high in the "best country to live in" lists

Switzerland got a very good deal from the EU, but its very unlikely UK will get something similar (as switzerland was the exception)

Its more likely they'll get a deal like norway:

Pay the same amount of money
You have to adhere to all EU Regulations

So basically, nothing changes from that point of view with one big difference: no vote on anything anymore.

[Slant]

As we know and heard, on the 29th, theresa may said she will go and trigger article 50, with so many threats from the EU politicians, with news being said like "UK-based airlines told to move to Europe after Brexit or lose major routes". etc

What do you guys think, will UK suffer alot when it leaves the eu or will it be fine??

I'll be super ambiguous and say... the UK will be stronger in that they are more independent, but the UK's influence and power projection will be weaker. So basically, they're weaker in a stronger way. Make of that what you will.

[Blobfish]

Britain needs to invest in a Glorious modern Navy and conquer other lands for its Empire.

You know..just like last century.

Stiff Upper lip chaps and Tally Ho.

[ati87]

Agree but the reverse is even more terrible for Trump: If he want's to make a deal with ANY EU country he will know that Germany and the other big EU countries will stem whatever tiny country he deals with. That's the point of the EU and what makes its members "available" on a global market.

But here is the thing people are ignoring.

The fact that Trump wants a specific agreement with Germany instead of the normal EU agreement should be seen as a acknowledgement of the power of the EU.He and his advisers think that they are getting the short end when it comes to trade and that Germany is ''winning'' with trade so that's why they want a new agreement without the EU because they think a new deal like that would favor them more.

You have all of these people (Putin and Trump) trying to undermine the EU why? Because they think it's beneficial for EU countries? Or because they think it's beneficial for them

[owbu]

Noone knows. But lots of people have wishful thinking based on their view on more or less unrelated stuff like foreigners, how much they like the EU, wether they voted yes or no, are from the EU, love everything Trump tweets and so on