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  1. #121
    Who is this "everyone" you're talking about ? Because I'm sorry to break it to you but he's so full of @#$% !
    You don't have 2 legendaries with Frost, you're not 890, why the hell do you keep asking ? There's a whole difference of dps between 880 ilvl and 890 ilvl.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Zorachus View Post
    What is a i875 Fury Warrior supposed to be doing damage wise ? It seems on average I do like 475k, and can do burst dps of 650k with Enrage.

    I kind of ran into a similar dps issue with my Frost DK. He is i887, and I wasn't doing the best dps on him, because I couldn't figure out the BoS spec that well, plus I did not like it, so I stcuk with the MG build, and was doing like 450k dps, but everyone was telling me a Frost Knight should easily be pulling 700k dps at i890 or so. But I had only one Legendary.


    I guess my point is, why does it seem a little difficult to get high damage going on a Fury Warrior and Frost Death Knight for me ? Everyone saying I should be doing 600k to 700k dps easily. Not sure how that's possible at i875 and one Legendary ? But maybe it is, and I'm not playing right ?

    Yeah doing World Quests and Broken Shore stuff solo, is very fun, I easily kill anything in a few seconds, even lower Mythic's like +5's are easy and I blast right through them. But in the Raids I just can't seem to keep that consistent 650k dps going non stop, and Mythic +10's I can't do a ton of damage like i think I should.

    That just frustrates the heck out of me, and makes me almost want to stop playing. Why should it be so difficult to play a Fantasy themed RPG, where I just want to have fun, whack and slash away and kill bad guys. But it seems to master that dps of over 500k is some trick I haven't learned ?

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ingowar/simple
    Don't stress but maybe make a different thread about this.

    Im 905 and i do like 730K'ish on fights like M Trilliax with light movement and etc. That guy saying 700K off 875 is LOLLLLLL.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Zorachus View Post
    What is a i875 Fury Warrior supposed to be doing damage wise ? It seems on average I do like 475k, and can do burst dps of 650k with Enrage.

    I kind of ran into a similar dps issue with my Frost DK. He is i887, and I wasn't doing the best dps on him, because I couldn't figure out the BoS spec that well, plus I did not like it, so I stcuk with the MG build, and was doing like 450k dps, but everyone was telling me a Frost Knight should easily be pulling 700k dps at i890 or so. But I had only one Legendary.


    I guess my point is, why does it seem a little difficult to get high damage going on a Fury Warrior and Frost Death Knight for me ? Everyone saying I should be doing 600k to 700k dps easily. Not sure how that's possible at i875 and one Legendary ? But maybe it is, and I'm not playing right ?

    Yeah doing World Quests and Broken Shore stuff solo, is very fun, I easily kill anything in a few seconds, even lower Mythic's like +5's are easy and I blast right through them. But in the Raids I just can't seem to keep that consistent 650k dps going non stop, and Mythic +10's I can't do a ton of damage like i think I should.

    That just frustrates the heck out of me, and makes me almost want to stop playing. Why should it be so difficult to play a Fantasy themed RPG, where I just want to have fun, whack and slash away and kill bad guys. But it seems to master that dps of over 500k is some trick I haven't learned ?

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ingowar/simple
    you need to have 4 tier pieces, 2 legs and COF + DOS trinkets to do good dps

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by orgonutil View Post
    you need to have 4 tier pieces, 2 legs and COF + DOS trinkets to do good dps
    Thanks for the reply. What does 2 legs mean ?

    I have zero Tier gear, and only 1 Legendary.
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ingowar/simple

    I just DING'd 110 on this guy a week ago.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Zorachus View Post
    Thanks for the reply. What does 2 legs mean ?

    I have zero Tier gear, and only 1 Legendary.
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ingowar/simple

    I just DING'd 110 on this guy a week ago.
    2 legendaries, sorry. 700k dps sustained at 875 isnot possible in a normal situation, you need to worry with your dps only when you have 900 ilvl, 4 pieces of the tier and the trinket combo, with that gear and doing what Archigod says in this topic is impossible to fail in dps (unless you die)

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Zorachus View Post
    Thanks for the reply. What does 2 legs mean ?

    I have zero Tier gear, and only 1 Legendary.
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ingowar/simple

    I just DING'd 110 on this guy a week ago.
    dont expect to much, no sockets etc, no 4p, shit trinkets, shit leg

  7. #127
    fury was always the most gear dependent spec in the game, the only reason its beastly is when you got all the puzzle pieces it clicks into gear.

    people asking why their dps is shit when they dont got DOS is like asking why your car isnt moving with no engine.

  8. #128
    So guild just got to 9/10 and we are progressing on Gul'Dan. Trying to figure out exactly what gear set would be best here... Seems like CoF (we're only starting to push into the beginning of phase 2) hasn't been that great so far, considering we're holding BC for each eye phase. So far also my best simming legendaries are Prydaz+Crafted Belt (I do not have WW Belt, but I do have Helm). In running sims, very surprised to see Mastery pull ahead.

    In trying to find what's "Ideal" through SC, anyone who is/has done Gul'Dan - would it be wiser to go with Hectic Add Cleave instead of just straight patchwork for Guldy sims? Really surprised to see that the Helm wasn't all that great, but that's probably a byproduct of the gear I'd have to swap around (875 tier gloves primarily to keep 4 piece) not being great, plus using the crapton of secondary stats from either the belt or prydaz...

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Conan1 View Post
    So guild just got to 9/10 and we are progressing on Gul'Dan. Trying to figure out exactly what gear set would be best here... Seems like CoF (we're only starting to push into the beginning of phase 2) hasn't been that great so far, considering we're holding BC for each eye phase. So far also my best simming legendaries are Prydaz+Crafted Belt (I do not have WW Belt, but I do have Helm). In running sims, very surprised to see Mastery pull ahead.

    In trying to find what's "Ideal" through SC, anyone who is/has done Gul'Dan - would it be wiser to go with Hectic Add Cleave instead of just straight patchwork for Guldy sims? Really surprised to see that the Helm wasn't all that great, but that's probably a byproduct of the gear I'd have to swap around (875 tier gloves primarily to keep 4 piece) not being great, plus using the crapton of secondary stats from either the belt or prydaz...
    CoF is worthless in phase 1 and only decent in phase 2, however it is critical in phase 3 as it's the only way to have Battle Cry for each set of parasites. This may be more or less important depending on your specific raid comp, but single target DPS is largely irrelevant during that phase - parasites and mechanics are the only real concern. Assess your group's strengths/weaknesses and make your own determination, SimC won't do that for you.

    Helm (and Cloak) are the best legendaries, but it's very important to remember that they force using weaker tier pieces, and so depending on your individual gearing, they may not be the best options available.

  10. #130
    hello i wonder if anyone else had strange simcraft results with angry hat. i got it yesterday, and when i did simulation with helm+cloak compared to cloak+crafted belt showed me 40k dps drop. i did check and in both cases gear/talent setup was the same and i was only switching around legendaries. when not using legendaries in all slots i had ~905 ilvl gear with haste. it got me really confused, because when i got angry hat during raid i did use it for a few fights and it felt like my dps increased a bit compared to our other raiders. trinkets i am using are CoF and DoS.
    simulationcraft should be calculating angry hat correctly right? for simcarft was using latest version updatred at the start of April.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by obanas View Post
    hello i wonder if anyone else had strange simcraft results with angry hat. i got it yesterday, and when i did simulation with helm+cloak compared to cloak+crafted belt showed me 40k dps drop. i did check and in both cases gear/talent setup was the same and i was only switching around legendaries. when not using legendaries in all slots i had ~905 ilvl gear with haste. it got me really confused, because when i got angry hat during raid i did use it for a few fights and it felt like my dps increased a bit compared to our other raiders. trinkets i am using are CoF and DoS.
    simulationcraft should be calculating angry hat correctly right? for simcarft was using latest version updatred at the start of April.
    sim hat with belt and drop one of the weaker tier pieces with crit for a high ilvl item and you will see a difference

    its either the hat or the back, putting both on isnt really an advantage more of a disadvantage due to all the other 4 tier items being weak.

    ideally you want guldan chest offpiece, hat, bracer or crafted belt. this will sim the highest too.

  12. #132
    thanks for the advise. also just now it crossed my mind that when shuffling gear around i might have lost 4x tier set bonus. will have to check that once i am home. just wanted to make sure that there are no issues when simming angry hat. and as off-topic i really did like angry hat and how fast i can reach 100 rage.

  13. #133
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ingowar/simple

    I am new to the Warrior DPS spec. Haven't touched my Warrior since early MoP days, was Prot Tank back then. Dusted him off, got to 110 last week in Fury spec, and now at i876. Only been Level 110 for like 9 days now, but my dps seems pretty low and crappy. I even got kicked from a EN H run last night, for being 8th out of 10 DPS players in that run, for low damage per the leader.

    My rotation is as follows;

    Single target / boss = Charge + Battle Cry + Rampage + Odyn's Fury + Raging Blow + Bloodthirst + Furious Slash, and during a long boss fight I then mainly do Raging Blow + Bloodthirst + Furious Slash, and wait for Enrage to proc to start that mini rotation, or Rampage to activate.

    When boss is low on health = Execute + Raging Blow + Bloodthirst

    Multiple targets / trash = Raging Blow + Whirlwind + Bloodthirst


    Any advice ?

  14. #134
    Hello,

    Thanks you for you guide.

    I'm currently using SimC to optimize my character and i have strange Scale factors : Mastery > Vers ~= Haste > Str > Crit
    ( Pawn: v1: "Korthias_Active": Class=Warrior, Spec=Fury, Strength=14.11, CritRating=11.83, HasteRating=15.82, MasteryRating=18.69, Versatility=16.52 )

    Here my character : eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/hyjal/korthias/advanced

    I have legendary wrists+helm equipped, i also have the cloak but due of my 910 chest Amr+SimC choose the bracers.
    I'm aware of my haste : only 20%. Is it enough ? I have 48% mastery . Very difficult to have good stats with T19 (too lot of Versability)

    I give you my Amr export to be sure i'm going in the good way :
    $50;EU;Hyjal;Korthias;Altération;9;2;110;13:1,7:800,14:700,4:118;2;.s1;34;;1136;1;,,;.s2; 35;1332232;980,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,361,37,223,1,1,96;1,1,1,1,1,1,1,3,3,3,4,3,3,3 ,4,4,1,1,4,1,1,1;140834b1487b1813b3516,140841b1487b3516b3528,140815b1482b3444b3528;.s3;36; ;91;1;,,;.q2;128908s16b751x140834y7z-26;5361s6b796b261b1528b76x-10593;273s12b-1855b1780b81e5429;11s17;2535s1b37b4;19s9b0b71;1247s10b-3488b1450b1844b180;6s7b-2039b1859b178;3s3b-3472b1450b1844b180e454;11s15b-2019b1839b180e-449;2432s13b-2044b2042b14;2s14b-2036b2025b11;69s5b-2021b1830b179;17s2b-2034b1962b84e456;3s11b-2051b2038b13e-461;3870s8b-2006b189b1625b237;.r;_;.inv;5956;262;730;31734;46898;1636;21860;1484;5855;1592;5911;0;34;9 9;52;14;2;1;1;3;312;1;0;0;1;1;1;1;1;19;3383;0;5;440b752;621b-2;4662;23;676b767b307b1704;0b-1986b282b1513;221b-1835b306b5b1600x130220e5439;40b-1896b210b81b1720;1810;295;415b-69b71;1b-1719b1719e-5;474b-1983b180b81b1529x0;115;469;240b-1860b1859b178;6b-2032b1854b178;517;1;360b-2027b318b3x0;435;122;3;4;2;7;3;2;1;2;35;2;156b-286b1815b137;12;146;25;379;1;1;8;6;72;149b-1997b2038b13;70b-2041b2029b12;1b-2046b326b1636b84;1b-3485b1439b1962b84;1b-2036b1845b177;3b-2032b1962b84;7b-2041b2029b12;1b-2056b2042b14;8b-2041b2029b12e456;2b-2046b1855b106;5b-1971b341b1701;3b-3473b1431b341b1701;23;84;173;134;27;95;159;47;226;454;0;3;1;993;149;135;48;20;47b-55b71;679b-2048b1962b84;0b-2061b1976b85;0b-2046b1962b84;368b-2031b209b102b1720b40;484b-2011b149b1631b236;6b-2051b188b1818b37;1394;98;9b-2028b271b17b1512;137;2;1;1;1;1;360b-1685b45b1639b238;79;1;0$
    Thanks

  15. #135
    Should I hold BC for execute phase?

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Zorachus View Post
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ingowar/simple

    I am new to the Warrior DPS spec. Haven't touched my Warrior since early MoP days, was Prot Tank back then. Dusted him off, got to 110 last week in Fury spec, and now at i876. Only been Level 110 for like 9 days now, but my dps seems pretty low and crappy. I even got kicked from a EN H run last night, for being 8th out of 10 DPS players in that run, for low damage per the leader.

    My rotation is as follows;

    Single target / boss = Charge + Battle Cry + Rampage + Odyn's Fury + Raging Blow + Bloodthirst + Furious Slash, and during a long boss fight I then mainly do Raging Blow + Bloodthirst + Furious Slash, and wait for Enrage to proc to start that mini rotation, or Rampage to activate.

    When boss is low on health = Execute + Raging Blow + Bloodthirst

    Multiple targets / trash = Raging Blow + Whirlwind + Bloodthirst


    Any advice ?
    Try reading the guide on the front page of this thread.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by galvin View Post
    Should I hold BC for execute phase?
    Quote Originally Posted by Archimtiros View Post
    Try reading the guide on the front page of this thread.
    people please, just try
    Last edited by Beart; 2017-04-22 at 07:03 AM.

  18. #138
    Hello my name is Juggernaught, I've been playing Legion for around 4 months now.
    Juggernaúght of Deathwing EU, because I can't post links yet if you want to check the armory.

    I'll get straight to the point and say I feel like my damage is low on many levels. I've been watching Warcraftlogs for some time now, and I couldn't help but notice, while comparing myself to the people with same item levels, that they're doing almost double the damage I'm doing for some reason. Comparing the fight with one player for example at Chronomatic Anomaly, my highest dps on that fight is 850k, while at my ilvl a lot of people are doing 1m+, I compare the fight with one player for example, we both cast the same number of RBs, their total RB damage is 26m while my total RB damage is 18m, their average cast is 1m dmg, my average cast is 600k dmg, comparing gear, I have way higher weapon ilvl, and my stats are somewhat better. The same goes for all of the rest of the spells and their damage. Enrage uptime almost the same aswell.

    I'm not really sure what's wrong, I know it's not a rotation issue, talents, clearly not gear, what exactly am I doing wrong... This has been bugging me for over a month now, growing in ilvl, and with each bracket, I'm outdamaged by tons.

  19. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaught93 View Post
    I'm not really sure what's wrong, I know it's not a rotation issue, talents, clearly not gear, what exactly am I doing wrong...
    For starters, this isn't a "fix my dps" thread. It's a guide to show you how to play and and a place to ask questions pertaining to either information on that guide or information that might not be mentioned on that guide. There is a thread for this and even making a new thread would be better than everyone clouding this one with it.

    Next point, you're clearing not doing well if you're here asking for help. What exactly does walking into it with that mindset that your performance can't possibly be the problem do for you? If your talents are the same as the warrior you're comparing to and your gear is similar (or better for that matter) yet you are still doing less then that usually means the only explanation is that you're performance is lacking. I love helping people who ask for it but I really don't see why certain players come in and ask for help but immediately dismiss themselves as a the problem. Luckily there are logs that can call out that kind of bullshit.

    Your best Heroic Trilliax kill, for example, was a minute and a half shorter than mine and at 891 I did 683K which put me at the 97% percentile for my ilvl where as on a much shorter fight you did 540K at 901 putting you at the 20th percentile for your ilvl.

    Since obviously you're really good and nothing can be wrong with yourself I doubt you'll listen to it, but just from quick glance your enrage uptime is low for having your gear and 4pc. You can sustain 60% without 4pc, no reason to be struggling to do it with it. More Rampage casts than Frothing proc's which means you're hitting Rampage before 100 rage and you're not using the execute rotation listed in the guide for 4pc so sure you might have the same RB usage as the next warrior but it's because you're using it execute phase where as he fit all of those into the first 80% and still had the same amount as you. You also let Juggernaut stacks drop off. Your CD rotations are somewhat off. Your ability usage could use a little improvement as well (times where you hit Furious Slash multiple times for example). Several gaps in your rotation of where you simply aren't hitting anything. So yea I suppose nothing is wrong with your rotation. Don't know what the problem could be.

    Since my fight was longer, I picked a rank with similar link and someone who also didn't have legendary helm since it does help with rage.

    Your Ability Usage:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=9
    His Ability Usage:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=5

    Your Buff Uptime:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...auras&source=9
    His Buff Uptime:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...auras&source=5

    Your Cast Timeline:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...&view=timeline
    His Cast Timeline:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...&view=timeline

    His Krosus Kill on that same night is also similar if you'd like to have a look, though he only scored in the 80th percentile so probably not quite as good. Still better than your 19th percentile performance at roughly 550K.

    Some advice, don't ask for help and be ignorant to the thought that maybe the problem is the player. It's arrogant and you'll get a better a response avoiding that. No one is perfect and many of us love to help (as long as the warriors are willing to help themselves by reading guides first to show some effort). Hard to help when people try to pretend like the problem is everything else but themselves.
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  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Arbiter View Post
    For starters, this isn't a "fix my dps" thread. It's a guide to show you how to play and and a place to ask questions pertaining to either information on that guide or information that might not be mentioned on that guide. There is a thread for this and even making a new thread would be better than everyone clouding this one with it.

    Next point, you're clearing not doing well if you're here asking for help. What exactly does walking into it with that mindset that your performance can't possibly be the problem do for you? If your talents are the same as the warrior you're comparing to and your gear is similar (or better for that matter) yet you are still doing less then that usually means the only explanation is that you're performance is lacking. I love helping people who ask for it but I really don't see why certain players come in and ask for help but immediately dismiss themselves as a the problem. Luckily there are logs that can call out that kind of bullshit.

    Your best Heroic Trilliax kill, for example, was a minute and a half shorter than mine and at 891 I did 683K which put me at the 97% percentile for my ilvl where as on a much shorter fight you did 540K at 901 putting you at the 20th percentile for your ilvl.

    Since obviously you're really good and nothing can be wrong with yourself I doubt you'll listen to it, but just from quick glance your enrage uptime is low for having your gear and 4pc. You can sustain 60% without 4pc, no reason to be struggling to do it with it. More Rampage casts than Frothing proc's which means you're hitting Rampage before 100 rage and you're not using the execute rotation listed in the guide for 4pc so sure you might have the same RB usage as the next warrior but it's because you're using it execute phase where as he fit all of those into the first 80% and still had the same amount as you. You also let Juggernaut stacks drop off. Your CD rotations are somewhat off. Your ability usage could use a little improvement as well (times where you hit Furious Slash multiple times for example). Several gaps in your rotation of where you simply aren't hitting anything. So yea I suppose nothing is wrong with your rotation. Don't know what the problem could be.

    Since my fight was longer, I picked a rank with similar link and someone who also didn't have legendary helm since it does help with rage
    His Krosus Kill on that same night is also similar if you'd like to have a look, though he only scored in the 80th percentile so probably not quite as good. Still better than your 19th percentile performance at roughly 550K.

    Some advice, don't ask for help and be ignorant to the thought that maybe the problem is the player. It's arrogant and you'll get a better a response avoiding that. No one is perfect and many of us love to help (as long as the warriors are willing to help themselves by reading guides first to show some effort). Hard to help when people try to pretend like the problem is everything else but themselves.
    First of all, thanks but no thanks for the useless reply you just spent time writing just to attack someone who's asking for help on a "Fury Guide", clearly you didn't read the whole post where I asked "What am I doing wrong" you just read the 1st part and then jump to conclusions that I'm saying that I'm perfect and it's not my fault. But whatever.
    Second point, I picked the Chrono fight because it had my best performance, I had 4 kills on each so I've definitely done better on some bosses than what it's showing but they weren't logged, that's why I didn't mention the trillax kill for example because I know my performance on it was not that good but I've done better and it wasn't logged, back to the Chrono kill, that was a fight I gave my all to, that's why I mentioned it, and I'm asking about it. Would appreciate a constructive reply thank you.

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