Can anyone suggest upgrades for me?

[Fascinate]

Eh, i cant be bothered arguing.

Saving someone that has a budget of 1k dollars, 50$ because you have some fake trust about OEM manufacturers.

Let me guess, you bought Ryzen CPU too and Apple is a good company.

You cant be bothered because you have no basis for it lol.

If you had read the OP's requests they are trying to get into a gaming PC as cheap as possible, they didnt say i have a thousand dollars they listed a budget range between 600 and 1000.

As we all know CPU's have not come up in power much the past few years, it is my assessment that they should keep their very good 3570 CPU and simply add a graphics card, it would make a world of difference in the games they are playing.

If they want to build a PC that is completely fine, but it would not be a wise price/performance situation for them over simply buying a 1050. I can also understand wanting something that looks new, in that situation i already suggested they could find a used motherboard on ebay and keep their 3570 and ram, and just buying a new case etc. But the one thing they shouldnt be doing is buying a PSU and a 1050.

[potis]

You cant be bothered because you have no basis for it lol.

If you had read the OP's requests they are trying to get into a gaming PC as cheap as possible, they didnt say i have a thousand dollars they listed a budget range between 600 and 1000.

As we all know CPU's have not come up in power of the past few years, it is my assessment that they should keep their very good 3570 CPU and simply add a graphics card, it would make a world of difference in the games they are playing.

If they want to build a PC that is completely fine, but it would not be a wise price/performance situation for them over simply buying a 1050. I can also understand wanting something that looks new, in that situation i already suggested they could find a used motherboard on ebay and keep their 3570 and ram, and just buying a new case etc. But the one thing they shouldnt be doing is buying a PSU and a 1050.

When exactly did i recommend a new PC?

A 1050 is a meh card, its literally half a 1060, at least the Ti version is less crap and costs about the same in most cases, at least in most of Europe, all my advice is from personal experience and prices in my head in EU countries, just because US has less taxes and some costs might be on/off i dont really give a fuck.

Secondly, a 240W PSU from an OEM company can not be good in any possible way, it doesnt matter what some retard on youtube says, i believe the fact i have changed like 10 of those crap PSU the last few years mostly from Dell ones tbh and you can check what kind of crap quality they are the moment you touch them, hint: Heavier the PSU usually the better and those things are lighter than an inflated balloon.

The only thing the OP is gonna experience with a 1050/ti and that PSU is that he will probably be fine for a few months and then suddenly PSU problems, cause that PSU cant keep up with an actual card and its gonna "tire out" to make it easier for you to understand.

I dont give advice to "be cheap" i give advice to have the best result for the best price, all his PC needs is a GPU, his PSU will not handle any GPU that will require raw power in the long run, 75W or not, that PSU barely produces 180W when its new, i bet 4 years after it will simply crash the moment the card requires power.

So yes, 1050 Ti cause its less crap than a 1050 and costs the same, and a new PSU around the 50$ market from a reputable company to last him his upgrade too in the next couple of years.

[Fascinate]

When exactly did i recommend a new PC?

A 1050 is a meh card, its literally half a 1060, at least the Ti version is less crap and costs about the same in most cases, at least in most of Europe, all my advice is from personal experience and prices in my head in EU countries, just because US has less taxes and some costs might be on/off i dont really give a fuck.

Secondly, a 240W PSU from an OEM company can not be good in any possible way, it doesnt matter what some retard on youtube says, i believe the fact i have changed like 10 of those crap PSU the last few years mostly from Dell ones tbh and you can check what kind of crap quality they are the moment you touch them, hint: Heavier the PSU usually the better and those things are lighter than an inflated balloon.

The only thing the OP is gonna experience with a 1050/ti and that PSU is that he will probably be fine for a few months and then suddenly PSU problems, cause that PSU cant keep up with an actual card and its gonna "tire out" to make it easier for you to understand.

Post reported for trolling.

Some retard on youtube? Do you know who pcper is?

Do you also realize the OP is playing on integrated graphics from 2012? CPU's havent made many leaps, but integrated graphics absolutely has. A 1050 ti is faster than a gtx 680, a flagship GPU from not that long ago.

Not only are you giving bad advice, its bordering on harmful.

[potis]

Post reported for trolling.

Some retard on youtube? Do you know who pcper is?

Do you also realize the OP is playing on integrated graphics from 2012? CPU's havent made many leaps, but integrated graphics absolutely has. A 1050 ti is faster than a gtx 680, a flagship GPU from not that long ago.

Not only are you giving bad advice, its bordering on harmful.

You obviously cant read or have a mental problem , there is no gentle way of putting this, you literally must have a problem with reading and using your brain to decipher words on the screen.

[Fascinate]

You obviously cant read or have a mental problem

You have already been reported, let the mods sort things out.

[potis]

You have already been reported, let the mods sort things out.

Go play with your Ryzen and youtube videos boy, i know you bought one, you are THAT type of idiot, ban is worth it for a few days to counter-argue googlers and youtube retards like yourself.

You literally cant even read today, at least the other days that i was polite towards you, you had 1/4 of a brain.

[Fascinate]

You obviously cant read or have a mental problem , there is no gentle way of putting this, you literally must have a problem with reading and using your brain to decipher words on the screen.

You called PCper "some retard on youtube" and said the 1050 ti is a slow video card. You also are going against one of the most well respected PC hardware review sites on your suggestion of not using the 240w psu for the 1050 ti, something they fully recommended someone do in the video i linked above. Had you watched the video you would have seen the power draw of an i7 and a gtx 1050 ti is well within the power envelope of an OEM 240w PSU.

[DrStiglit]

Ask on Reddit...

[Kagthul]

There are people that haven't already blocked Fascinate?

[potis]

You called PCper "some retard on youtube" and said the 1050 ti is a slow video card. You also are going against one of the most well respected PC hardware review sites on your suggestion of not using the 240w psu for the 1050 ti, something they fully recommended someone do in the video i linked above. Had you watched the video you would have seen the power draw of an i7 and a gtx 1050 ti is well within the power envelope of an OEM 240w PSU.

You can not read, end of story.

I said the 1050 is a crap card, Ti is less crap but acceptable for what it provides, you counter argued with "680" from the past, NO WONDER MORON its a different architecture all together with god damn 4 years difference, what you expect?

I dont need to watch any video to know how electrical components work,his PSU can not handle a proper card for a long period of time, it will die out cause the COMPONENTS INSIDE IT AS CRAPSTATIC QUALITY AND CAN NOT HANDLE IT.

Of course the moronic reviewer didnt have a problem running the god damn thing for a 10 minutes video, THE PSU WILL DIE IN LESS THAN 6 MONTHS WITH A PROPER CARD ON IT assuming it even lasts 6 months, it will probably crash after a few hours of actual gaming.

[Fascinate]

You're the one saying a 5 year old cheap as hell OEM PSU is just like a brand new one...

Where do you get your comments from? For one your comment insinuates a PSU declines in power output over time, do you have proof of this? Secondly why would i suggest something to someone if i had any reservations about it? Thirdly i linked a video of THE tech channel (no, linus isnt "the" tech channel lol) recommending people can absolutely put a 1050ti into an OEM pc with a 240w psu.

I just dont get where any of you are coming from, i am the only person with a lick of sense in here.

[Fascinate]

You can not read, end of story.

I said the 1050 is a crap card, Ti is less crap but acceptable for what it provides, you counter argued with "680" from the past, NO WONDER MORON its a different architecture all together with god damn 4 years difference, what you expect?

I dont need to watch any video to know how electrical components work,his PSU can not handle a proper card for a long period of time, it will die out cause the COMPONENTS INSIDE IT AS CRAPSTATIC QUALITY AND CAN NOT HANDLE IT.

Of course the moronic reviewer didnt have a problem running the god damn thing for a 10 minutes video, THE PSU WILL DIE IN LESS THAN 6 MONTHS WITH A PROPER CARD ON IT.

Even in the unlikely event that his PSU dies from the "extra load (which it wont, because had you watched the video the max draw EVEN with an i7 was sub 150w) the worst thing that will happen is they need to buy a PSU at that point.

You need to calm down collect your thoughts and realize the advice i am giving is solid, and yours is really poor. It makes no sense to do a PSU upgrade on an OEM PC with the video card i am suggesting.

[potis]

Even in the unlikely event that his PSU dies from the "extra load (which it wont, because had you watched the video the max draw EVEN with an i7 was sub 150w) the worst thing that will happen is they need to buy a PSU at that point.

You need to calm down collect your thoughts and realize the advice i am giving is solid, and yours is really poor. It makes no sense to do a PSU upgrade on an OEM PC with the video card i am suggesting.

The fact that someone with actual knowledge is agreeing with me is enough for me to simply not give a fuck anymore.

Learn basics of electrical components and how low quality ones deteriorate over a period of time, hint:capacitors, and we can try having this conversation again.

Second hint since you like to mention Wattage, that 240W pretty sure outputs less than 200W when its brand new, just saying.

[Fascinate]

The fact that someone with actual knowledge is agreeing with me is enough for me to simply not give a fuck anymore.

Learn basics of electrical components and how low quality ones deteriorate over a period of time, hint:capacitors, and we can try having this conversation again.

Second hint since you like to mention Wattage, that 240W pretty sure outputs less than 200W when its brand new, just saying.

Actually no...PSU's output more power than what they are rated at. Have you never read a PSU review before from johnnyguru? An 850w PSU generally is capable of outputting 1000w.

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It makes all the sense in the world to those with experience working on 5-year old hps... your advice sounds rather childish in comparison.

No, i am suggesting they do a normal upgrade procedure to put life into an aging PC. On other hand you are all suggesting they spend more money and complicate the process unnecessarily.

[Ealyssa]

Actually no...PSU's output more power than what they are rated at. Have you never read a PSU review before from johnnyguru? An 850w PSU generally is capable of outputting 1000w.

You understand something called "efficency load" right ? What you say is stupid at best, dangerous at worst !

But hey, lets build computers with PSU rated for less than what it will need. Sounds like a really good idea, and you sound like really knowledgeable...

[Fascinate]

You understand something called "efficency load" right ? What you say is stupid at best, dangerous at worst !

But hey, lets build computers with PSU rated for less than what it will need. Sounds like a really good idea, and you sound like really knowledgeable...

Efficiency has nothing to do with what they output, it just means how good they are at converting AC to DC power. The better the rating, the less power they waste in that conversion.

[Shakadam]

Look, this is really simple.

If you want to shorten the lifespan of all components within the PC, stick with the 240w PSU, otherwise get a better PSU.

Even if that PSU somehow miraculously could deliver ~80% of its rated wattage without the voltage fluctuating wildly and the ripple&noise going through the roof, it's still gonna be running at a very high load while gaming. At some point something's gonna go and it's more than likely that the PSU can't deliver "clean" power at that level and it might take out something more expensive than the PSU.

In short: It's a stupid gamble.

[Deleted]

I'm a major noob at computers. I'd appreciate if anyone can suggest upgrades for me or direct me to a guide I can use. My PC is a refurbished HP Compaq Elite 8300.

Which Hp compaq elite? The SSF or CM model?

[Lathais]

You are all simply, wrong. I have no nicer way of putting things.

A 240w PSU is sufficient for the system the OP linked with a gtx 1050ti. If they want to do this sure, but it is not a required upgrade.

While I agree that a 240w PSU is more than enough, this thing is probably about 5 years old and no telling if it was decent quality to begin with. A 5 year old no-name PSU should be replaced. Period.

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Where do you get your comments from? For one your comment insinuates a PSU declines in power output over time, do you have proof of this? Secondly why would i suggest something to someone if i had any reservations about it? Thirdly i linked a video of THE tech channel (no, linus isnt "the" tech channel lol) recommending people can absolutely put a 1050ti into an OEM pc with a 240w psu.

I just dont get where any of you are coming from, i am the only person with a lick of sense in here.

You need proof of that? Really? It's pretty common knowledge that these things degrade over time. The higher quality, the longer they last, but they degrade. If you really need proof:
https://www.johansondielectrics.com/...e#.Um_e0fmkr9k

Capacitors age out. It's a simple fact. Sorry.

Really funny that you think you are the only person with a lick of sense in here too. Seriously, made my day. Funniest thing I've read all year.

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Even in the unlikely event that his PSU dies from the "extra load (which it wont, because had you watched the video the max draw EVEN with an i7 was sub 150w) the worst thing that will happen is they need to buy a PSU at that point.

You need to calm down collect your thoughts and realize the advice i am giving is solid, and yours is really poor. It makes no sense to do a PSU upgrade on an OEM PC with the video card i am suggesting.

No, you need to calm down and realize that both pieces of advice are good. He could do what you are saying and possibly be fine, if whatever PSU they put in that thing had high quality capacitors. However, experience has shown many of us that most of these cheap pre-built PCs don't use higher quality PSUs and they do degrade over time. Seriously, think about it for just a second. A 240w PSU in a system that has no dedicated GPU and is likely not even drawing 100w under normal usage, why did they put something that has more than twice the needed power? So it would still be working in 10 years after degradation.

Also, no, the worst thing is not that he would just need to buy a PSU. Sure, it's not as common anymore, but PSUs can take things with them when they go sometimes still. Seeing as he opened the case and added a GPU, and it is outside of warranty anyway, on the off chance it does take other components with it, he is screwed big time.

[ovm33]

I'm a major noob at computers. I'd appreciate if anyone can suggest upgrades for me or direct me to a guide I can use. My PC is a refurbished HP Compaq Elite 8300. I want to find upgrades that are compatible with what I have before I waste money only to find I can't use what I get or it destroys what I already have.

Thank you so much to anyone who can help!

General Information
Processor: Intel Core i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz
Motherboard: HP 3396
RAM: 8.00 GB (7.88GB usable)
Graphics Card: Intel HD Graphics
Power Supply: HP 240W
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional, Service Pack 1
WoW Settings: Graphics setting 1-3 (3 works fine in open world, however, I get frame rate lag even on 1 in some raid encounters)


Budget: $600-$1,000
Resolution: Doesn't matter
Games / Settings Desired: OK graphics & addons enabled without frame rate lag
Any other intensive software or special things you do: Just WoW/Starcraft 2/some older games
Country: US
Parts that can be reused: All of the above if it gives the results I need
Do you need an OS?: I'm fine with Windows 7
Do you need peripherals (e.g. monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc)?: No

If you had built the PC yourself I would just suggest a PSU and graphics card upgrade but a referb OEM...

Assuming all the bickering hasn't scared you off the below will play the games you listed at Ultra at or near 60 FPS @ 1080p. If will be a massive upgrade for you and within your budget.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.79 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! PURE ROCK 51.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z270M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($49.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card ($234.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.79 @ OutletPC)
Other: Windows 10 Key from Kinguin ($27.99)
Total: $939.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-03 12:08 EDT-0400

I left you $75 to take it to a local shop and have them put it together for you if you're unwilling to do so yourself. I however strongly encourage you to invest the Saturday and build it yourself. There's lots of guides online. Will link you some if you like.