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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by BannedForViews View Post
    actually frost can cast while moving.
    Only if they choose the talent to do so. However with double ice Lance being a thing, the damage loss would be too much if not using Shimmer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Validity View Post
    If rogues become shit, all they can become is a different type of shit.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by BannedForViews View Post
    Exactly. This is just jealous bullshit.... lets just trash other warlock specs I don't play because I'm salty as fuck.
    Yep, I tell ya, this whole legendary/AP grind thing has pretty much fragmented the lock community into these factions of "screw Demo" "F' Affliction", "Destro can suck a D". I mean it was pathetic before between classes; now we gotta put up with this crap within our own class.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by BannedForViews View Post
    Exactly. This is just jealous bullshit. Destro isn't as good so clearly we have to champion nerfing affliction. Meanwhile there are 6-10 other specs in the game that are as good or better than affliction, but lets not worry about that shit, lets just trash other warlock specs I don't play because I'm salty as fuck.
    10 other specs better than affliction? WTF are you smoking? Affliction is the number 1 spec in the game at the moment

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by burek View Post
    10 other specs better than affliction? WTF are you smoking? Affliction is the number 1 spec in the game at the moment
    No, affliction was the number 1 spec, for 2 weeks, because of a bug. Now it is very much in line with everyone else.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by BannedForViews View Post
    No, affliction was the number 1 spec, for 2 weeks, because of a bug. Now it is very much in line with everyone else.

    Also do not forget that the PTR changes (if they were implementd as they are right now) will take effect in the tomb of sargeras which is a different raid than the nighthold.
    what I mean by this is that they are changing the spec to how it should work in the next raid, based on how it is performing NOW not after those changes, and without taking consideration for some factors that contribute to the things that are adding to this kinda playstyle (T19 bnouses / amount of adds on NH bosses).

    And yea I agree, affliction topped due to abug which ia now fixed.. it is decent and performs well (and it should, cosidering it was garbage in raids on release ), but not OP as some might say.

  6. #146
    Meanwhile they haven't touched fury warrior, havoc demonhunters barely received a nerf of about 1.8%, and frost mages are flying under the radar.

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucrece View Post
    Meanwhile they haven't touched fury warrior, havoc demonhunters barely received a nerf of about 1.8%, and frost mages are flying under the radar.
    Guess you missed the nerf to icy veins that made those crazy long icy veins completely impossible? Also still seems like blizzard wants casters to perform worse than melee, so shouldn't really compare yourself to them, compare yourself to other ranged dps.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleckens View Post
    Guess you missed the nerf to icy veins that made those crazy long icy veins completely impossible? Also still seems like blizzard wants casters to perform worse than melee, so shouldn't really compare yourself to them, compare yourself to other ranged dps.
    Thermal Void was hardly what was making frost mages retarded. They still put out ridiculous ST DPS for how much cleave/aoe they do.

    They do assassination rogue single target but with aoe and cleave to boot.

    They also happen to deal their damage in burst like the downside of dot classes that are assassination/affliction/demo, which makes mages infinitely better for priority add damage.

    Fucking Ice Lance is hitting harder than a chaos bolt, and it's an instant cast spell.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucrece View Post
    Thermal Void was hardly what was making frost mages retarded. They still put out ridiculous ST DPS for how much cleave/aoe they do.

    They do assassination rogue single target but with aoe and cleave to boot.

    They also happen to deal their damage in burst like the downside of dot classes that are assassination/affliction/demo, which makes mages infinitely better for priority add damage.

    Fucking Ice Lance is hitting harder than a chaos bolt, and it's an instant cast spell.
    The TV nerf actually reduces our DPS by about the same amount removing double IL would.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucrece View Post
    Thermal Void was hardly what was making frost mages retarded. They still put out ridiculous ST DPS for how much cleave/aoe they do.

    They do assassination rogue single target but with aoe and cleave to boot.

    They also happen to deal their damage in burst like the downside of dot classes that are assassination/affliction/demo, which makes mages infinitely better for priority add damage.

    Fucking Ice Lance is hitting harder than a chaos bolt, and it's an instant cast spell.
    Cleave, sure, but aoe? I think you may be thinking of fire mages there, in which case their single target isn't very high.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleckens View Post
    Cleave, sure, but aoe? I think you may be thinking of fire mages there, in which case their single target isn't very high.
    With the legendary Blizzard does tons of aoe damage.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucrece View Post
    With the legendary Blizzard does tons of aoe damage.
    So with a shitty legendary you can occasionally do somewhat average aoe? That's not really a good argument.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleckens View Post
    So with a shitty legendary you can occasionally do somewhat average aoe? That's not really a good argument.
    That's not "average" aoe. Are you illiterate? It's not a shitty legendary in aoe situations in the least. If you want to know what mediocre aoe is, play demo. It's still way more aoe than an assassination rogue or destruction lock has despite being a top ST DPS spec with the top 2 damage sources being instant casts.
    Last edited by Lucrece; 2017-04-21 at 01:19 PM.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucrece View Post
    That's not "average" aoe. Are you illiterate? It's not a shitty legendary in aoe situations in the least. If you want to know what mediocre aoe is, play demo. It's still way more aoe than an assassination rogue or destruction lock has despite being a top ST DPS spec with the top 2 damage sources being instant casts.
    No, it is very much average aoe, any proper aoe class will do way more. Frost's strength lies in it's single target and 2 target cleave, if you wanted to aoe you would always go fire, not equip some crappy belt.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleckens View Post
    No, it is very much average aoe, any proper aoe class will do way more. Frost's strength lies in it's single target and 2 target cleave, if you wanted to aoe you would always go fire, not equip some crappy belt.
    Or you could discard the extraneous aoe of fire (you only need so much aoe for adds, ST is always useful) and gain good but not as much aoe while doing immensely more cleave and single target DPS, which is why every mage and his mother is on the frost bandwagon.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucrece View Post
    Or you could discard the extraneous aoe of fire (you only need so much aoe for adds, ST is always useful) and gain good but not as much aoe while doing immensely more cleave and single target DPS, which is why every mage and his mother is on the frost bandwagon.
    Again, you really do not spec frost for the aoe, ever, and unless you only had the belt and no good legendaries you wouldn't even use it as it's not worth it. You still use blizzard though, but mostly for it reducing frost orb cooldown more so than it's damage. Not sure why you're even trying to argue here, frost is a really good spec and probably will be even after the nerf(just like affliction will still stay good looking at current changes) but it's used for single target and cleave, not aoe. Saying frost mages have good aoe is like saying shadowpriests have good aoe.

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