New followers. What I think about them so far...(spoilers)

[dwarfkicker]

Would've been awesome if DK were sent to res Garrosh and bring him into the fold. Deathbringer Hellscream. With a strong will like his, it'd be cool to see DK that follows you but has a full on rebellious, "I answer to no one attitude."

[Aeula]

I liked Maximilian but I hated Nerus.

Some random guy that betrayed his family to the legion and suddenly became a Paladin for reasons.

I was so happy to get an undead Nightelf Paladin .............not.

Yeah... after running around with Nerus for a bit it seems really forced. Was he even a priest in life? He's an undead spirit that made a pact with the legion, how is he suddenly capable of blasting foe's with the holy light?

[karumayu]

^I also feel that Nerus characterization is left wanting for more. Aside from his betrayal, we do not know anything else about him.

[Icaras]

No one is quite sure what happened to Danath Trollbane afterward

Actually not correct, Danath can be found in the Alliance Inn in legion Dalaran (I believe this was added with the current patch, he wasn't there before), he'll also comment that he's glad you survived if you're warrior.

Anyway, I agree I think he would have been a more fitting Bodyguard, given his role in the start of the Warrior quest line, but I'm also not really upset with Darius Crowley as he's pretty cool too, and given the involvement by Gilneas in the questing, it makes sense to see a Worgen comp show up for one of the classes. And he's actually somebody we know, (same with Eitrigg for the Horde side), instead of some Iron Dwarf who sees us in Ulduar and basically just ends up following us around after that.

[Zephre]

Almai (Monk) is utterly garbage as a combat ally, she's a mistweaver yet spends half her damn time keg smashing and breath of firing, occasionally she'll use an extremely weak and hardly noticeable heal. The quest to obtain her wasn't enjoyable, our order hall campaign was just as bad but I shouldn't be surprised when Blizzard's quality of storytelling is neanderthal levels.

If you use her when flying around she uses an oversized cloud serpent, which results in me dismissing her as an active bodyguard, I wish they had kept the bodyguard shrinkers from warlords so we could use them on these guys, for now I'm sticking to the monkey king as my combat ally.

[TyrannicalPuppy]

5. Warrior - Darius Crowley. So, don't get me wrong, I have been a big fan of the Crowleys and have enjoyed working with Lorna Crowley in Stormheim, despite it not being one of my more liked zones. As one who quite enjoyed the Gilneas starting zone, as well, it is good to see Darius joining the ranks. His part in the quest line was too limited, and I thought it was going to go another way. While I am not displeased about the choice Blizzard went with, I figured we would be getting Danath Trollbane. Danath Trollbane left his post in Hellfire Peninsula to escort your warrior to the broken shore and got split up before you "died" but Odyn spared you from death so you could fight on. No one is quite sure what happened to Danath Trollbane afterward, but I think it would have been better if he was the one who became the follower.

Danath's in the Alliance-only inn, standing right in front of the bar, doing fuck-all. I can't begin to express how salty I am that they're wasting his character YET AGAIN.

[Verdugo]

My experience with Lilian as a bodyguard: she sucks unless there is some hidden stuff I am not seeing.

[Marrilaife]

If you use her when flying around she uses an oversized cloud serpent, which results in me dismissing her as an active bodyguard, I wish they had kept the bodyguard shrinkers from warlords so we could use them on these guys, for now I'm sticking to the monkey king as my combat ally.

I prefer the "click the button" combat allies because they won't put me in combat when I don't want to, sadly Monks don't have any like that... For example I use Hydraxis on shaman, Remulos on Druid (he has some pathing issues sometimes tho), Rotgut on DK, Thorim on Warrior, Malevolence on DH and Lothraxion on Paladin (sadly useless on mobs immune to stun). Why Monks don't have a single "click the button" combat ally? Everything is a proc or a pet. I think it's the only class with this issue? Hunters have Emmarel, Mages have Vargoth, Rogues have Ravenhold / Shaw, Priests have Ishanah and Warlocks have Lulubelle / eredar twins.

I really thought the new follower's "support" role will be something more useful than your usual "proc randomly" thing, Monks already had Taran Zhu for that.

At least for fans of bodyguards you can get some variety, no idea why some classes had 2 bodyguards and some only 1 until 7.2. Some bodyguards are truly annoying by their ability to get you stuck in combat by aoeing random mobs or jumping to new ones.

[Raugnaut]

Thisalee Crow is the druid follower for horde too. Cool character, but lacking mechanics - She does a pathetic 44k dps when I timed it (Had her kill a 1250k hp mob, took ~28 seconds to do), so I just keep her on support for her occasional 200k small AoE burst. Working towards Moroes to replace her combat ally slot, then she gets deactivated in favor of either BW for starfall, or that one troll druid for skull bash - Dash is useless imo.

[Marrilaife]

then she gets deactivated in favor of either BW for starfall, or that one troll druid for skull bash - Dash is useless imo.

How can a counter be useless? It's not like it's tied to 1 thing "oh this ability always is tied to troops will die, I can ignore it", for example cursed is something I generally want to counter. But yeah, Broll has already the same combo (feral + dash) and I love his passive, saving tons of OR on expensive stuff like the raid missions.

Personally I use Remulos as a combat ally on my druid, it has some pathing issues on uneven terrain / cramped spaces which is my only hate, but except that on non-trivial mobs he provides lots of healing and decent damage burst as well, while the cd recharges as I travel between WQ or kill the trivial mobs.

But yeah, from the mission standpoint I'd rather have another Resto druid in the roster than Thisalee, I only have Sylendra atm because Brightwing passive seemed like rubbish to me (at least Sylendra's mushrooms are controllable while the Brightwing one is completely random). I would assume Malfurion is too big of a figure to be a follower, but the guardian of G'hanir girl, or Lunara, or Celestine of the Harvest would be fine. Only druids and warriors are stuck in a situation where they have only 2 followers of a spec, because mages get Akazam-whatever-his-name goblin as 3rd frost, and all other classes have the new follower plug a gap in the roster even where it doesn't make sense (like Kanrethad being Affli not Demo).

[Snes]

I don't necessarily want all of the biggest lore names to become mere followers. So I'm pretty satisfied.

[Deleted]

At least he wasn't literally a NELF Priest that you give plate armor to and magically turns into a Paladin.

TIL: Just give a Priest some plate armor and a sword and they automatically turn into holy warriors.

but wasnt paladins just priest that got taught the ways of using the sword? i mean doing an entire rocky balboa montage would be cool but....

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Shes also a murderer that broke an honorable tradition. You dont have to play horde to hate Magatha. I play alliance too and i hate her because she literally set into motion everything we are dealing with. If she didnt poison Cairne via Garroshs weapon, he would have killed Garrosh and that would be the end. Instead, Garrosh lived and went off to commit henious crimes, he ended up going back to alternate Draenor where he set Gul'dans newfounded fate back into motion. Garrosh then came back to current azeroth to unleash the hell that he failed at the first time.

Magatha is quite certainly the sole reason for the last 3 expansions.

i blame her parents.

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Yeah, he's not taking my Doomhammer as long as I have anything to say about it.

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Ok, so, I don't hold the same reverence as you do to taurens, clearly. I don't have any problem with them, and will be the first one to admit that I like Cairne, Dezco, and Hamuul, but I am with the Draenei. That being said, I want to just examine what you're saying here a little.

Regarding Magatha:

1. "she defies the Tauren stereotype while also encompassing it." I think this requires a little elaboration on how one can be the antithesis of two opposing things at the same time.

2. "She's not evil;" I'm sorry. Poisoning someone is an act of evil. And she interfered with a Mak'Gorah. Remember the last shaman that cheated in a Mak'Gorah? I do. I have his hammer. See, what I don't understand, why does she still have powers at all? She should be as impotent as Thrall is right now, for the exact same reason.

3. "she just knows what she wants and is willing to do whatever it takes to get it." - Well, that would suggest she's Lawful Evil.

4. "She cares for her tribe as much as Baine cares for his" - You know, even a monster loves something. Josef Stalin was a monster, but he had a couple of nieces he treated like gold. They would not be of the same opinion.

5. "but she has a different set of standards that she expects them to meet" - Well, it seems the same is true of assassin guilds, the Sith rule of two, and tyrants in general. It is that whole "different set of standards" that tends to deviate from good.

6. "She's conniving" - def. given to or involved in conspiring to do something immoral, illegal, or harmful: So, you just said she isn't evil. Being a conspirator to any of those things makes her evil.

7. "she's cutthroat" this is a particular act that isn't even becoming of an antihero.

8. "she's ambitious" this only holds merit to hard work and good ethic, which seems to be a character flaw of Magatha.

9. "she's ruthless" so... evil. Got it.

10. "she's wicked" you just said she is not evil, and then describe her as wicked. How ironic....

11. "she's a mastermind" precisely why I don't want her in my class order hall, and if I could, I would challenge her to a Mak'gorah.

12. "and she proves that you don't have to be some strong, young bull to be one of the most powerful people on the planet." Magatha is not powerful. She's a tool. She derives her power from an object I confiscated from her. I can assure you, without that instrument, any shaman worth half a shit could destroy her.

13. "And she's a much more wonderful character for all of it" - A rather indefensible position. A wonderful villain, if not for the fact that everyone knows her game. I personally am not fond of the idea of my class hall harboring a fugitive of the tauren. As I said, I have no grievances against the Thunder Totem and Thunder Bluff Tauren. From a story position, this would not bode well with the taurens in general, though, and the very idea of keeping my friends close and my enemies closer is exactly why Cairne is dead.

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To be perfectly honest, I was hoping the Alliance would have gotten Erunak. He would have been a resto shaman too, just like Magatha.

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Kanrethad is a perfect example of what happens when you crave too much power. Imagine for a moment being blamed for anything while you were under the control, the literal full motion control by some other force, and once that force was either defeated, exorcised, or driven out, how that might make you feel to be blamed for the occurrences, and not given a chance to set matters right? Jubeka could have just as easily let us kill him, but even she knew, he was possessed, and he made her promise, if things got too far out of hand, to banish him.

But now that he's here, what I don't understand is, why is he an Affliction Warlock. He's clearly Demonology.

i dont know why, but your last sentence made me laugh.

[Raugnaut]

How can a counter be useless? It's not like it's tied to 1 thing "oh this ability always is tied to troops will die, I can ignore it", for example cursed is something I generally want to counter. But yeah, Broll has already the same combo (feral + dash) and I love his passive, saving tons of OR on expensive stuff like the raid missions.

Personally I use Remulos as a combat ally on my druid, it has some pathing issues on uneven terrain / cramped spaces which is my only hate, but except that on non-trivial mobs he provides lots of healing and decent damage burst as well, while the cd recharges as I travel between WQ or kill the trivial mobs.

But yeah, from the mission standpoint I'd rather have another Resto druid in the roster than Thisalee, I only have Sylendra atm because Brightwing passive seemed like rubbish to me (at least Sylendra's mushrooms are controllable while the Brightwing one is completely random). I would assume Malfurion is too big of a figure to be a follower, but the guardian of G'hanir girl, or Lunara, or Celestine of the Harvest would be fine. Only druids and warriors are stuck in a situation where they have only 2 followers of a spec, because mages get Akazam-whatever-his-name goblin as 3rd frost, and all other classes have the new follower plug a gap in the roster even where it doesn't make sense (like Kanrethad being Affli not Demo).

Dash tends to only be either timed (I don't have too much concern on that) or Lethal (Again, little concern). In fact, I have yet to see a mission in which dash counters cursed. Thus, I prefer skull bash or starfall, both of which frequently counter curse.

[Saverem]

but wasnt paladins just priest that got taught the ways of using the sword? i mean doing an entire rocky balboa montage would be cool but....

I'd think it takes a lot more than just giving them swords and plate armor to turn them into a fighters... It'll be literally like giving a Catholic Priest an AK-47 and then sending them to Iraq because he's a soldier now.

[GreenJesus]

Yeah... after running around with Nerus for a bit it seems really forced. Was he even a priest in life? He's an undead spirit that made a pact with the legion, how is he suddenly capable of blasting foe's with the holy light?

It doesn't make any sense. The questline makes us think he is just a civilian night elf in some house that sold out his people to the Legion. Then when you finish the questline all of a sudden he becomes a paladin with no experience of light or combat. It literally makes no sense. O wait it does.. He paid 60 bucks for a level boost.