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    Quote Originally Posted by alexkeren View Post
    A) No context
    B) 2014 shows a marked uptick
    C) Stats can be made to mean anything
    http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=1036

    There's the source if you'd like more details, it was already hyperlinked in the image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    If only there was some way, to have included a link to the context and details. Oh wait! I did...
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=1036

    There's the source if you'd like more details, it was already hyperlinked in the image.

    If you read between the lines ... C should have been the hint. The uptick occurred when the first release bills started going through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexkeren View Post
    If you read between the lines ... C should have been the hint. The uptick occurred when the first release bills started going through.
    Nope, 2016 is still before 2015, no mater how often it is claimed to be otherwise.
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  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    yep, the large decrease of Property crime was after Reagan became President. Having a good economy can do that. And the large drop off of violent crime was after the wars on drug dealers and the 3 strikes you are out, during the Clinton/Bush terms. Also I do notice a slight upswing in the two those show for the last couple years.
    To be fair, nobody has been able to definitively say what caused or ended the crime wave that ended shortly after Clinton took office. This has been the focus of endless studies and it's clear we truly do not know why the wave started, or why it stopped. That never stopped Bill Clinton or Rudy Giuliani from taking the credit, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tijuana View Post
    To be fair, nobody has been able to definitively say what caused or ended the crime wave that ended shortly after Clinton took office. This has been the focus of endless studies and it's clear we truly do not know why the wave started, or why it stopped. That never stopped Bill Clinton or Rudy Giuliani from taking the credit, however.
    I have a theory, online porn.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Oberyn Martell View Post
    If releasing non-violent criminals turns into an increase in violent crime then something is wrong with what those non-violent prisoners are taught while in prison and your prisons are to blame for the increase in violent crime, not the sensible release program.
    Yeah, the connection the police are trying to make between non-violent early release and violent crime is not founded in any real data.
    There is a back story here. Notice this key phrase:
    "The most recent statistics from the U.S. Department of Justice show violent crime rates in some California cities has increased by over 50 percent," said Michele Hanisee, president of the Association of Los Angeles Deputy District Attorneys.
    There are battles up and down California for the last 10 years about police funding and pension plans, which have caused many forces to deplete their patrols and reduce hiring. Many police unions got ridiculous pension and retirement guarantees before the financial crash of 2008 and subsequently were forced to re-negotiate them by many municipalities. There is bitterness on the part of officers who feel they were betrayed, and outrage among many citizens who feel that the police took advantage of backroom deals to get unsustainable benefits.

    The end result is that many areas have reduced police presence, and the police are trying to sway public opinion to get their funding back to unsustainable levels. This spinning of the non-violent releases has an agenda, and locking up people longer for non-violent crimes does not address the problems.
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  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    I'll just leave this hear and go get some coffee...
    Yay no 2016 data, uptick in 2015, I'm going to believe some Chief of Police out in CA over some MMO poster any day. I wouldn't rush back with the cup, sit back and enjoy it.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I have a theory, online porn.
    That is a solid theory; I like it. However, porn pre-existed in other forms before, and at that moment in time, it was not common for most people to have computers or the internet. Dial up porn sure did take a long time to load though...so there is that factor, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrophobic View Post
    You linking anything from Fox is enough to see that it does not.
    People who Laugh and Ignore Fox News, who then turn around and believe everything CNN or MSNBC tells them don't really have a right to dismiss anything with credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedragon View Post
    People who Laugh and Ignore Fox News, who then turn around and believe everything CNN or MSNBC tells them don't really have a right to dismiss anything with credibility.
    I would hardly say I belive in anything they say but they do tend to stick to facts more often than Fox.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    yep, the large decrease of Property crime was after Reagan became President. Having a good economy can do that. And the large drop off of violent crime was after the wars on drug dealers and the 3 strikes you are out, during the Clinton/Bush terms. Also I do notice a slight upswing in the two those show for the last couple years.
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Yay no 2016 data, uptick in 2015, I'm going to believe some Chief of Police out in CA over some MMO poster any day. I wouldn't rush back with the cup, sit back and enjoy it.

    You can see the same "upswing" around 98, 2005, and 2012
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  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    I'll just leave this hear and go get some coffee...
    Not relevant to the timeframe (which btw the graph shows the uptick from around 2013-14)

    - - - Updated - - -

    The 2015 property crime rate of 2,620 per 100,000 residents is up 6.6% from the 50-year low of 2,459 in 2014
    A total of 40 of the state’s 58 counties—including 13 of the 15 largest—saw increases in their violent crime rates in 2015. In 21 counties, the violent crime rate increased by more than 10%, while seven counties saw increases of more than 20%. Of the state’s 15 largest counties, only Alameda and San Francisco saw decreases in their violent crime rate (7.6% and 1.4%, respectively)
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    Literally people should bother reading their sources.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Oberyn Martell View Post
    If releasing non-violent criminals turns into an increase in violent crime then something is wrong with what those non-violent prisoners are taught while in prison and your prisons are to blame for the increase in violent crime, not the sensible release program.
    I think its a pretty common notion that jail/prison is really just college for criminals. I cant speak to the truth of it but being surrounded by violent people for years on end may rub off?
    READ and be less Ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hombregato View Post
    Not relevant to the timeframe (which btw the graph shows the uptick from around 2013-14)
    Which is before the bill took effect. Time is still linear for us. Causes have to come before effects.
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