Balance Druid on end game.

[gushDH]

Hey everyone,

I am thinking of switching mains for ToS, and one of my candidates is the Boomkin.

Currently my end game goals for ToS is to clear Heroic Mode, and be able to perform well at high Mythic+ (15+, patch 7.2+).

I kind of enjoy the playstyle of the spec, it has a nice rotation for both single target and AoE, with a good balance between casted and instant spells. I really enjoy the new spell animations, too.

I only would like to know how it plays out at end game level, both for raids and dungeons. Any other general opinions in favor of or against the spec would be much appreciated.

Thanks

[Tyze]

We dont know since we're not there yet.

[Polarthief]

Dunno about ToS but I just beat the timer on a +15 yesterday. Only +1 but it was a guild run and there was lots of faffing. Coulda done +3 if we really wanted.

[Glurp]

Moonkin is currently great at Mythic+ and you also have one of the best (currently) tank and healing offspecs too for it. As for heroic raiding really anything is viable, if you can't perform well enough to clear heroic then it's a player issue, not a class issue.

I'd say Moonkin is a fairly solid main character to play but don't expect to be a FOTM spec because they are far from it.

With all this said, remember that ToS is coming with 7.2.5 so anything could change.

[Polarthief]

Moonkin is currently great at Mythic+ and you also have one of the best (currently) tank and healing offspecs too for it. As for heroic raiding really anything is viable, if you can't perform well enough to clear heroic then it's a player issue, not a class issue.

Oh right we're talking about Heroics. Yeah Moonkin is more than capable of clearing Heroic. Hell, in Heroic I was almost always #1/#2 in my old guild.

I'd say Moonkin is a fairly solid main character to play but don't expect to be a FOTM spec because they are far from it.

With all this said, remember that ToS is coming with 7.2.5 so anything could change.

^. Unlikely we'll be FOTM (Druid DPS usually isn't a FOTM candidate), but if you play FOTM, you probably don't care about how fun or interesting a class/spec is to begin with.

[Tyze]

Well to look at previous expansions Moonkin has been performing very well

[Polarthief]

Well to look at previous expansions Moonkin has been performing very well

I don't know about performance as I played a Mage until Legion (I mean hell I still need to change my Avatar/Signature), and haven't mained a Druid since the end of Vanilla/early BC, but I do know this much:

- MoP-style Moonkin was fairly favorable with the Eclipse bar. I personally was never a fan of it myself.
- WoD-style Moonkin was by far the worst Moonkin has ever been mechanically and I don't even remember seeing a single Moonkin. All my Druid friends either rerolled or played a different spec, it was quite awful.

I also know that Moonkin never really made waves, though previous expansions hardly matter. Bear Druids were regarded as the bottom of the tank list until Legion, mostly due to their awful reliance on dodging and having no block/parry, and being 100% fucked on any boss with heavy-hitting undodgeable hits (I did Heroic Horridon with 2 Bear Druids. It didn't go over so well).

So yeah, previous expansions don't really matter for today's performance.

[Deleted]

Moonkin in Nighthold is pretty horrendously undertuned, but as people said you can top DPS in heroic with anything. I outDPS heroic raiders with my Holy Paladin. Just play whatever you want.

[Polarthief]

Moonkin in Nighthold is pretty horrendously undertuned

That's just a tad hyperbolic. Yes, we're not great, but "horrendously undertuned" is quite the exaggeration.

[Deleted]

That's just a tad hyperbolic. Yes, we're not great, but "horrendously undertuned" is quite the exaggeration.

That is not a good metric, you need to look on a fight by fight basis. On the important fights, boomie does very poorly. Overall data is skewed by the couple of fights they can cheese, same for many classes. Why is Fury Warrior, undeniably the most overturned spec right now, at the bottom of that list? It really isn't as simple as looking at overall mythic data to measure the worth of a class.

[hulkgor]

Balance druid is amazing for small group content (Mythic+) and solo play.

Sadly, it is mediocre for end game raids.

I still enjoy playing it, but Blizzard seems to be clueless in regards of how to make it competitive.

[Cowa]

Balance right now just needs a little fine tuning with the numbers and should be in a decent spot coming ToS. I would not expect us to be top third overall but we are typically mid pack

[Myztikrice]

That is not a good metric, you need to look on a fight by fight basis. On the important fights, boomie does very poorly. Overall data is skewed by the couple of fights they can cheese, same for many classes. Why is Fury Warrior, undeniably the most overturned spec right now, at the bottom of that list? It really isn't as simple as looking at overall mythic data to measure the worth of a class.

Which fights do you consider important?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11/#boss=1863 - star augur: 14/24
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11/#boss=1872 - elisand: 5/24
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11/#boss=1866 - gul'dan: 12/24

we're hovering around average to slightly below average

[Zan15]

That's just a tad hyperbolic. Yes, we're not great, but "horrendously undertuned" is quite the exaggeration.

A horrible exaggeration is linking logs with Skorp and Tisch still included.

- - - Updated - - -

Which fights do you consider important?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11/#boss=1863 - star augur: 14/24
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11/#boss=1872 - elisand: 5/24
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11/#boss=1866 - gul'dan: 12/24

we're hovering around average to slightly below average

few of those fights we will drop a spot or two after this weeks buff.




Depends, if you look at some of the others....

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...=1865&sample=7 - Chrom 24/24

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...=1867&sample=7 - Tril 23/24

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...1842&sample=7- Kros 23/24

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...=1886&sample=7 Bot 22/24



What you have to take into account going forward in tos is

ST we are going to be basically in the same spot we are now.
ST minor cleave, little worse off to even.

ST with lots of short term cleave. midpoint of classes

ST with lots of long term cleave. Top 1/4

from what i have viewed and read the next raid is going to be a lot of the same that NH is. so depending on changes we might not change much based on what is released already

[Polarthief]

A horrible exaggeration is linking logs with Skorp and Tisch still included.

Depends, if you look at some of the others....

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...=1865&sample=7 - Chrom 24/24

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...=1867&sample=7 - Tril 23/24

Then you include Chronomatic and Trilliax as important examples? 10/10. I'd argue overcoming Skorp Mythic as a bigger obstacle/more important than the other 2 easy as hell bosses, but that's just me.

I'm well aware of our overall mediocre ST, but people continuing to call our niche fights as "cheesing" is pretty funny. Inb4 someone claims Spellblade is "cheesing meters". Also, what do you hope to accomplish from all this? Unless you have direct ties with a developer or manage to get everyone on the same page, they just don't give a fuck anymore (and also don't play their own game).

[Zan15]

Then you include Chronomatic and Trilliax as important examples? 10/10. I'd argue overcoming Skorp Mythic as a bigger obstacle/more important than the other 2 easy as hell bosses, but that's just me.

I'm well aware of our overall mediocre ST, but people continuing to call our niche fights as "cheesing" is pretty funny. Inb4 someone claims Spellblade is "cheesing meters". Also, what do you hope to accomplish from all this? Unless you have direct ties with a developer or manage to get everyone on the same page, they just don't give a fuck anymore (and also don't play their own game).

come on tish with cinda and blood padding.....that's not a niche fight. it should be discounted as bad as scorp right now.

[Polarthief]

come on tish with cinda and blood padding.....that's not a niche fight. it should be discounted as bad as scorp right now.

If you do it the right way, like my old guild did, you still do some great damage. Sunfire > Moonfire (if LATC) and dump Starfalls on the adds heads. Rack up the points.

Seriously though, if you're going to blame cheesing on every fight that we're remotely good on, then I'm going to ignore you when you refer to easy fights like Skorp-Trilliax.