Is Mythic+ based on performance possible?

[Segus1992]

What exactly is your complaint? You don't like the fact that they reward people with extra loot for completing the dungeon with time left on the clock, aka a "speed run"?

That's like saying, "I really don't like the fact that I completed the work faster for my boss, and I got a bonus. I don't like this, I should have got a bonus for doing it perfectly over 8 hours, not efficiently in 2 hours."

What kind of mentality is that? You want to be rewarded for going slow, but taking 0 avoidable damage? Anyone can do that by just going at a ridiculously slow pace. For CCing perfectly on each trash pull? I'm guessing that's what you mean by performance, but clearing the dungeon faster is also a test of performance. But casting sheep every 8 seconds on one mob isn't a "good performance," and definitely should not be the deciding factor in whether bonus loot is awarded. Effectively staying alive, dealing with affixes, and doing the most output your class can is performance, and if you can do it faster than others, you should be rewarded. That's like video game 101. I'll admit performance is subjective, but don't pretend like CCing one mob per pack is skillful. It's not.

I really scratch my head at how far people will go to complain about a very popular and effective feature for those who enjoy pushing their skillcap.

Your analogy isn't really accurate though, as completing 8 hours work of time in 2 hours would leave you unrewarded unless your boss gave you a bonus/promotion/whatever for it, whereas in M+ the reward is instant. Doing one vs doing two M+ in the same timespan wouldn't give the same reward without the speedrun bonus, but would leave the ones doing the two M+ doubly rewarded. In the current (which is going away in 7.2.5) system, the ones doing two in the same timespan are triply or even more rewarded. That's what my issue is.

And Blizzard just announced a change a while ago confirming that that's what's going to happen.

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And TBH calling MM+ "speedruning" is an extreme exaggeration.

Some +3 may be called speedrunning at high keys. But up until 12-13 most +2 are really generous. The timer isn't here to force you to rush at all. Just a bonus when you do the dungeon in an efficient way.

some whinners should actually see what a real "speed run" in other games is... Stop trying to find excuse for your lack of skills, improve your gameplay, start doing some MM+ and you'll actually enjoy it.

Must really suck when you're so salty that when your first wannabe elitist post doesn't get the responses you were hoping for, you push out another saying the same thing.

[SLUSHER]

I really enjoy m+ but people who don't seem to be obsessed with taking it away from me.

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I really enjoy m+ but people who don't seem to be obsessed with taking it away from me.

It is the feeling of having to do m+ if you don't like it, being the most rewarding repeatable content. If the rewards would go away would you still do it? Cause everyone who does not like m+ would be happy.

ps. I love m+ but i do see its faults.

[Ealyssa]

Must really suck when you're so salty that when your first wannabe elitist post doesn't get the responses you were hoping for, you push out another saying the same thing.

Am so sorry

Did I hurt your feelings ? You're the only one here asking for removal of a perfectly fine content without even trying it...
But yeah, again, playing the game surely is more elitist than spiting on something you didn't even try. But keep the hate strong, it's healthy.
I still gonna enjoy the game for what it is and you still gonna cry for changes that won't happen. As long as we both are happy in what we are doing it's fine.

[Segus1992]

Am so sorry

Did I hurt your feelings ? You're the only one here asking for removal of a perfectly fine content without even trying it...
But yeah, again, playing the game surely is more elitist than spiting on something you didn't even try. But keep the hate strong, it's healthy.
I still gonna enjoy the game for what it is and you still gonna cry for changes that won't happen. As long as we both are happy in what we are doing it's fine.

Not sure if cute attempt or just stupid?

You're aware that Blizzard just announced that the changes will indeed happen? I mean, I'm not here to burst your bubble, but maybe have some knowledge before you try to appear like you're good at the game?

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I really enjoy m+ but people who don't seem to be obsessed with taking it away from me.

Nice agenda, but the thread has nothing to do with taking anything away.

[Daffan]

5mans can never be "hard" tactically because there's just not enough people to make interesting mechanic design possible, made worse with the fact it's just five spots to cover every class and the dungeon needs to be doable by every type of setup.

The only other alternative is the Vanilla/BC dungeon model where you had to cast hard-cc on every mob but one in a pack and single target that down, before reapplying all CCs but one and killing the next mob. Over and over and over. Call that hard if you like, most of us just call that boring and tedious.

A mixture is better then AOE Spamming forever and classes/specs with crap aoe suxxorsz lol

[Ealyssa]

You're aware that Blizzard just announced that the changes will indeed happen?

You are dellusional. The changes are resumed by : 1)less loot 2)no more depleted keys.

MM+ will be absolutly the same as today, and will be runed absolutly the same...

If you except everyone to forget the timers just because "hey they changed something", you gonna be as disapointed as the british once Brexit is completed.

[Crysth]

A mixture is better then AOE Spamming forever and classes/specs with crap aoe suxxorsz lol

Except in higher m+, depending on the affixes, you may want better ST vs AOE. I know on Tyrannical weeks, my shaman is Asc build to help with bosses (and many of our people go builds more leaning toward ST). It's not all an AOE-fest, you have to know when to do so... at least in higher keys. Low keys are basically mythic 0 level, and tbh, not worth a mention, since everything hits so soft.

[SLUSHER]

Not sure if cute attempt or just stupid?

You're aware that Blizzard just announced that the changes will indeed happen? I mean, I'm not here to burst your bubble, but maybe have some knowledge before you try to appear like you're good at the game?

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Nice agenda, but the thread has nothing to do with taking anything away.

The op is literally how can we change m+ because I don't like what it is now

[Segus1992]

You are dellusional. The changes are resumed by : 1)less loot 2)no more depleted keys.

MM+ will be absolutly the same as today, and will be runed absolutly the same...

If you except everyone to forget the timers just because "hey they changed something", you gonna be as disapointed as the british once Brexit is completed.

Your English makes me feel like I've been arguing with a child, I apologise.

The 3 chest system is gone, that's what I asked for and it's happening. That's all there is to it.

The op is literally how can we change m+ because I don't like what it is now

That's not at all literally what it is. The OP is literally if M+ based on performance is possible. I don't dislike M+ overall, but I don't like how low keys are currently forced to be speedruns.

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[SLUSHER]

this thread + that response remind me of "the war prayer" by Mark Twain lol

[Ealyssa]

The 3 chest system is gone, that's what I asked for and it's happening. That's all there is to it.

It's not, the 3 timers will still be there.

But I guess your ban makes you loose. See ya.

[Sylvaeres]

I personally think it's a shame that M+ has extra added incentive for speedruns in the form of extra chests, and wish it would be changed so that you don't HAVE to stress through them (but can want to, to get done quicker).

Do you think that's possible? If so, how?

Im guessing youre one of those guys that 1 chest alot of dungeons