Fury BIS Trinkets ToS

[Bullarkie]

I'm very concerned about both Fury and Arms in ToS for multiple reasons. I'm trying to keep up on my frost DK just in case.

[LucasVolken]

I'm very concerned about both Fury and Arms in ToS for multiple reasons. I'm trying to keep up on my frost DK just in case.

Fury will be fine, concerned about Arms, I tried my gear with the new adjustments I got a significant loss on DPS.

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Go on PTR and test the new Trinkets they're better than they seem. Fury can't stick with DoS if we use the new tier from ToS. And Infernal Cinders + Spectral of Betrayal actually did better for me than CoF and DoS by 50k DPs. Note: Infernal Cinders wasn't getting buffed by any other people.

[Roiids]

Fury will be fine, concerned about Arms, I tried my gear with the new adjustments I got a significant loss on DPS.

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Go on PTR and test the new Trinkets they're better than they seem. Fury can't stick with DoS if we use the new tier from ToS. And Infernal Cinders + Spectral of Betrayal actually did better for me than CoF and DoS by 50k DPs. Note: Infernal Cinders wasn't getting buffed by any other people.

Ugh crit strike tho...

[Bullarkie]

Fury will be fine

I think it's far too early to make a statement like that. We'll have to see how T20 plays out or the loss of 4xT19 rather. Also, our BiS legendaries are helm and cloak so we'll have to get rid of both of those if we want to run 4xT20 and 2xT19. Where for example Frost DK has BiS belt and bracers...

[wrastor]

Fury will be fine, concerned about Arms, I tried my gear with the new adjustments I got a significant loss on DPS.

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Go on PTR and test the new Trinkets they're better than they seem. Fury can't stick with DoS if we use the new tier from ToS. And Infernal Cinders + Spectral of Betrayal actually did better for me than CoF and DoS by 50k DPs. Note: Infernal Cinders wasn't getting buffed by any other people.

How do you try out new items on PTR? Is there like a vendor? Sorry for the newb question, haven't done anything PTR-related before.

[Artunias]

The Specter Trinket is not bad at all. I'll assume it's somewhat bugged, but if it's intended for you to have two specters up after your first use for the rest of the uses it would actually be insane. Right now the specter immediately despawns after attacking the first time. But if you can get two specters out and the positioning works for them, it will be kinda absurd and easier to get high ilvls it will easily replace DoS.

CoF is actually easier to replace than you might think on single target, and you even look at something like Gul'dan where the reduced coodlwon doesn't play so well. But at the same time you have a Chronomatic Anomaly or Aluriel where the timings work out fantastically. CoF will most likely be one of those situational trinkets you'll pull out for the occasional fight.

Also if they make Juggernaut not infinite stacking retardation it would also reduce the power of CoF quite a bit.

[Alaexaender]

Infernal cinders may be required, since it's a melee buff for the whole raid

[LazyCoding]

Infernal cinders may be required, since it's a melee buff for the whole raid

The buff only effects the damage from trinket. So only melee classes with the trinket will get benefit from the buff. Most likely other warriors.

[Creraria]

The buff only effects the damage from trinket. So only melee classes with the trinket will get benefit from the buff. Most likely other warriors.

The buff scales with enh mastery afaik, and it might just be bis for them aswell

[Zequill]

Is any of those trinket drop for the last boss with an abyssal drop rate? I killed Guldan 3 time in LFR, 13 in normal, 3 time in heroic, using seal on all of them, still no luck.

[Montegomery]

I think it's far too early to make a statement like that. We'll have to see how T20 plays out or the loss of 4xT19 rather. Also, our BiS legendaries are helm and cloak so we'll have to get rid of both of those if we want to run 4xT20 and 2xT19. Where for example Frost DK has BiS belt and bracers...

It is too early, though legendaries honestly aren't a big factor. The difference between our current BiS legendaries and the next six runners up is only ~1%, so swapping out the Helm and Cloak for any of Prydaz/Mannoroth/Rethu/etc. will easily be made up for and then some by keeping 2pT19.

[LucasVolken]

How do you try out new items on PTR? Is there like a vendor? Sorry for the newb question, haven't done anything PTR-related before.

yeah there is a vendor near one of the banks in Dalaran

[Archimtiros]

The Specter Trinket is not bad at all. I'll assume it's somewhat bugged, but if it's intended for you to have two specters up after your first use for the rest of the uses it would actually be insane. Right now the specter immediately despawns after attacking the first time. But if you can get two specters out and the positioning works for them, it will be kinda absurd and easier to get high ilvls it will easily replace DoS.

CoF is actually easier to replace than you might think on single target, and you even look at something like Gul'dan where the reduced coodlwon doesn't play so well. But at the same time you have a Chronomatic Anomaly or Aluriel where the timings work out fantastically. CoF will most likely be one of those situational trinkets you'll pull out for the occasional fight.

Also if they make Juggernaut not infinite stacking retardation it would also reduce the power of CoF quite a bit.

The specter doesn't despawn, it just doesn't remain visible. Look at your combat log, and you'll see it hits 4 times normally, or 8 times if double-stacked. However, the positional requirement is abysmal, and what will keep it from being a main trinket (with current tuning).

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It is too early, though legendaries honestly aren't a big factor. The difference between our current BiS legendaries and the next six runners up is only ~1%, so swapping out the Helm and Cloak for any of Prydaz/Mannoroth/Rethu/etc. will easily be made up for and then some by keeping 2pT19.

Part of that is due to statistical opportunity cost - using Legendary Helm/Cloak require using Tier Legs/Chest, which reduces the effective power of the legendary in question. This isn't an issue with T20.

The only thing holding up T19 right now is Draught - with it, 4p T19 + 2p T20 w/ offtier legendaries is the best setup. Without it, 4p T20 + helm/cloak is best.

[Fourze]

Part of that is due to statistical opportunity cost - using Legendary Helm/Cloak require using Tier Legs/Chest, which reduces the effective power of the legendary in question. This isn't an issue with T20.

The only thing holding up T19 right now is Draught - with it, 4p T19 + 2p T20 w/ offtier legendaries is the best setup. Without it, 4p T20 + helm/cloak is best.

Assuming you don't have a monster Draught how far does the benefit of DoS extend before the ToS trinkets starts to out rank it (currently), is it late Heroic or Mythic?

[f3llyn]

Ugh crit strike tho...

Thing is if they don't change the t20 set bonus crit is probably gonna go up in value.

[Archimtiros]

Thing is if they don't change the t20 set bonus crit is probably gonna go up in value.

No, it's not.

The only thing it will do is make the Execute phase intolerable.