Sexual crimes by Iraqi nationals doubled in Finland

[Zoibert the Bear]

Europe just isn't progressive enough.
We need to give them more welfare and free housing.

Nevermind that they are completely unqualified on every level.

They are all children, engineers and PhD holders. How can you deny that? Did you know they invented UNIVERSITIES and MATH?

[Freighter]

Caning? Prisons in EU countries don't use torture or physical punishment. Prison are not even places of punishment but meant for social re-education with permanent lock-up if individuals have a high chance of relapsing into previous patterns. Also the penalty should be proportional to the damage done and level of crime.

It's not torture.

Maybe you should be using it. Yes, prisons are for punishment. Crime should be punished harshly.

[Zoibert the Bear]

This is false: more along the line of:

FASCIST: Shoot them all, and hang there corpses along our borders!
PC Crowd: LET THEM IN PLEASE THEY ARE ALL ENGINEERS AND DOCTORS!
Normal PeopleWhat the hell is wrong with these guys?


and wew to the rest of the posts, statistics and numbers are hard. It gets harder when emotions play such a strong role. And then we see how easily we discard our own law and get back to torches and pitchforks.

You are actually right on that. Apologies for the black-and-white generalization. Unfortunately, both former groups are larger than they should, larger even as of late.

[ButterBeast]

You just know these people in this thread are the same that would come to the defense of any US college rapecases.

[Ravenblade]

It's not torture.

Maybe you should be using it. Yes, prisons are for punishment.

Not going to happen, sorry, and no, there's a clear statute what prison regime is supposed to be. Hint: it's not punishment but re-socialisation.

[Freighter]

Not going to happen, sorry, and no, there's a clear statute what prison regime is supposed to be. Hint: it's not punishment but re-socialisation.

It clearly is about punishing offenders. Otherwise you wouldn't be locking them up and depriving them of their freedom.

Why are you linking something in some language that I cannot read?

[Deleted]

http://www.lansivayla.fi/artikkeli/5...hs-maara-on-jo
http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005206976.html

There have been 90 rapes where the perpetrator has been an Iraqi national (up from 45 in the previous year). 560 rapes where the perpetrator has been a Finnish national (including people with an immigrant background). There are 9000 Iraqi nationals in Finland, 5,3 million Finnish nationals. With a quick round up maths that means Iraqi nationals are roughly 100 times more prone to do sexual crimes than Finnish citizens.

Those numbers would be more accurate if you would only include 20-30 year old finnish males compared to the 20-30 year iraqi males in finland and also factor in that most sexual assaults and harassments still go unreported and are done by the local populace themselves. Right now you are also factoring in women and children in your calculations.

The rate would still be higher among iraqis, but not by that much.

[Gully Man]

I'd be lying if i said i was surprised. If only they were as transparent with the figures in Sweden.

[Aggrophobic]

http://www.lansivayla.fi/artikkeli/5...hs-maara-on-jo
http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005206976.html

The amount of rapes by all foreign nationals have gone up 42% and the amount of sexual assaults 153% in 2016.

There have been 90 rapes where the perpetrator has been an Iraqi national (up from 45 in the previous year). 560 rapes where the perpetrator has been a Finnish national (including people with an immigrant background). There are 9000 Iraqi nationals in Finland, 5,3 million Finnish nationals. With a quick round up maths that means Iraqi nationals are roughly 100 times more prone to do sexual crimes than Finnish citizens.

And some people wonder why Middle Eastern people are unwanted here.... they are a serious safety hazard. You can scream racist all you want, but the numbers are there.

The problem is that some people think that everyone from the middle east is a serious safety hazard. Thats simply not true however.
It's like saying that 99% of all rapes are committed by men and therefore all men are dangerous. It gets silly.

[Ravenblade]

It clearly is about punishing offenders. Otherwise you wouldn't be locking them up and depriving their freedom.

Nobody said prison isn't punishment. The purpose of the prison time however shouldn't be to use it for further torturing or physically punishing inmates the latter being prohibited by law and constitution actually.

[Evangeliste]

It's a really nasty grey area really. They do come from a different culture so going to prison to be rehabilitated/have their freedom taken as it nowadays, wouldn't it be a pointless exercise? Firstly, their original culture is potentially quite harsh so the legal system might be a joy to be in and secondly they aren't really children who are at a stage to be reformed or to learn, they are adults who most likely are set in their ways of they's say the Eastern cultures as much as the legal system of Western cultures trying to enforce their way. Neither side is likely going to compromise.

Personally, I think they would really be subjected to a good set of tests upon entry which subjects their ideologies from let's say Eastern culture such as woman being under par compared to the Western culture they want to enter. With all our 'civilised' and 'developed' world I'm sure we have psychologists that can rustle up a good test and translators who have successfully or want to be in the Western culture to make it readable.

[primalmatter]

Only when it gets to late and people start to take justice into their own hands will people realize the gravity of the mistake they made...

[Freighter]

Nobody said prison isn't punishment. The purpose of the prison time however shouldn't be to use it for further torturing or physically punishing inmates the latter being prohibited by law and constitution actually.

Laws can be changed.

[Evangeliste]

Laws can be changed.

Laws on torture and physical punishment in Europe has been outlawed for centuries. Good luck wishing on a change.

[barackohmama]

http://www.lansivayla.fi/artikkeli/5...hs-maara-on-jo
http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005206976.html
The amount of rapes by all foreign nationals have gone up 42% and the amount of sexual assaults 153% in 2016.

Since when? And why suddenly a magic rise? Did the immigrant population stay the same or did it change?

There have been 90 rapes where the perpetrator has been an Iraqi national (up from 45 in the previous year). 560 rapes where the perpetrator has been a Finnish national (including people with an immigrant background). There are 9000 Iraqi nationals in Finland, 5,3 million Finnish nationals. With a quick round up maths that means Iraqi nationals are roughly 100 times more prone to do sexual crimes than Finnish citizens.

And some people wonder why Middle Eastern people are unwanted here.... they are a serious safety hazard. You can scream racist all you want, but the numbers are there.

Again why the sudden rise? Your first source is in finnish and your second source is not available to read. But in general there are always groups who are more prone to crime then others, there are no news there really. Interesting question is why this is the case.

[Freighter]

It's a really nasty grey area really. They do come from a different culture so going to prison to be rehabilitated/have their freedom taken as it nowadays, wouldn't it be a pointless exercise? Firstly, their original culture is potentially quite harsh so the legal system might be a joy to be in and secondly they aren't really children who are at a stage to be reformed or to learn, they are adults who most likely are set in their ways of they's say the Eastern cultures as much as the legal system of Western cultures trying to enforce their way. Neither side is likely going to compromise.

Personally, I think they would really be subjected to a good set of tests upon entry which subjects their ideologies from let's say Eastern culture such as woman being under par compared to the Western culture they want to enter. With all our 'civilised' and 'developed' world I'm sure we have psychologists that can rustle up a good test and translators who have successfully or want to be in the Western culture to make it readable.

What are you trying to say here? I've read it several times and can't make any sense of it.

[Trollhammer]

This thread is racist there is no evidence these number are real and are probably made up by a right wing organisation!

Laws can be changed.

Their country, their laws/rules. Don't like it? Don't go there.

[Azadina]

It's a really nasty grey area really. They do come from a different culture so going to prison to be rehabilitated/have their freedom taken as it nowadays, wouldn't it be a pointless exercise? Firstly, their original culture is potentially quite harsh so the legal system might be a joy to be in and secondly they aren't really children who are at a stage to be reformed or to learn, they are adults who most likely are set in their ways of they's say the Eastern cultures as much as the legal system of Western cultures trying to enforce their way. Neither side is likely going to compromise.

Personally, I think they would really be subjected to a good set of tests upon entry which subjects their ideologies from let's say Eastern culture such as woman being under par compared to the Western culture they want to enter. With all our 'civilised' and 'developed' world I'm sure we have psychologists that can rustle up a good test and translators who have successfully or want to be in the Western culture to make it readable.

Small correction to that: adults are not set in their ways either, unless they willfully remain so. For example my grandmother. Let's go back 30 years and ask her about gays, and it's not something great to hear. Today, and for many years already? She's come to respect them as equals, deserving all the same rights as everyone else.

Times were different back then, and they are different now. Peoples opinions change over time, if they are open for change. If my 75 year old grandmother can change her views, when she sees the old ones weren't all that good, but were par for the course in those times, then anyone can.

[Freighter]

Their country, their laws/rules. Don't like it? Don't go there.

I don't have any intentions of going there. So, okay.

[Wikko]

Just earlier this week there were 3 rapes/sexual harrasments in my town done by 3 refugees. The victims were 14-15 and the perpetrators over 25.