After G7 summit, Merkel: "Europe Must Plot Own Course"

[Shalcker]

No, the EU is pushing for the Ukraine to keep the rules they agreed to and that all other members agreed to, too.

Rules that allow exploitation of weaker states, sure. That allow total control by those with capital rather then local authorities.

If you think those two are comparable then you really cannot be helped.
The EU is demanding Greece keep their treaties.

Russia did same thing with Ukraine (and EU) - like demanding enforcing that agreement with Yanukovich they signed just a few days ago. They refused.

Only after that there was use of force. So, quite comparable; only which force gets used differs.

[Independent voter]

Rules that allow exploitation of weaker states, sure. That allow total control by those with capital rather then local authorities.

If Ukraine can get into the EU, another 10 to 20 years Ukraine will be rich enough to buy Russia.

[Shalcker]

If Ukraine can get into the EU, another 10 to 20 years Ukraine will be rich enough to buy Russia.

How long is Poland in EU? ...is it ready to buy Russia yet?

Ukraine is poorest country in former USSR space for a reason; and that reason isn't "Russian meddling".

[cubby]

If Ukraine can get into the EU, another 10 to 20 years Ukraine will be rich enough to buy Russia.

Do you think the EU will let them in?

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Do you think the EU will let them in?

not until they let Russia in, or as is more likely, is forced to adsorb Russia.

[cubby]

not until they let Russia in, or as is more likely, is forced to adsorb Russia.

Well, they're never going to allow Russia to join. Ever. Have you met Germany yet?

So is there serious talk about letting Ukraine in at some point, down the road? Is their economy up to snuff? Lol Greece.

[Deleted]

In the meantime Soros addressed the eu urging to keep Poland and Hungary in check.
This eu won't go anywhere. We lack the balls to keep the sharks out.

[Slant]

You're inflicting suffering on Greece, and eventually it'll break away too. You aren't called EUSSR for nothing :P

Only imbeciles call the EU EUSSR.

[Deleted]

Well, they're never going to allow Russia to join. Ever. Have you met Germany yet?

now no, 15 years ago, maybe, 15 years from now, maybe.

So is there serious talk about letting Ukraine in at some point, down the road? Is their economy up to snuff? Lol Greece.

Ukraine wont be (hoping to god) invited before Russia, because the current Snafu is because Russia could not accept Ukraine moving away from Russia and into the western alignment, and that's not going to change (until Russia is in said alignment).

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Only imbeciles call the EU EUSSR.

besides, EUSSR doesn't make sense.
It's supposed to be EUSR - European union of socialist republics.

[Slant]

Alright back on Topic,

Merkel and Germany seems to be taking the lead in international matters and European matters, i know and a lot of people know this won't sit well with Europe, also yes WW2 still plays a part in this and also people inside Germany do NOT want Germany to be the single nation to steer the course.

For this and mark my words we'll see France and Macron especially will be playing a bigger role in times to come. And that will be something people will accept as Macron seems to be playing his cards right internationally, if he can keep it up is another thing as his biggest concern is remaining a powerful president after his nation wide election.

Now after the G7 has ended, it seems all big players minus the US are on board with the Paris agreement. China the top polluter is on board, India also who is number 3 on that list and even the UK has put their shoulders under it.

The important part to note is despite the USA their actions now it won't end the agreement 4 years from now, so who's Trump actually serving with this is beyond anyone perhaps his voter base in middle america who are world strange, however the last time the USA tried to play this card it backfired on Bush (Bush also did the samething as Trump did regarding ecological agreements, what is no surprise since he's from Texas) and it will again.

All Europe also really needs to strengthen itself further is a good ally in the East, Poland comes to mind but it's odd conservative majority are also rather world strange although their political leader can never take a stance that is anti european unless they really wish to be obliterated as a political party, so perhaps eventually more moderates will rise there and Poland can become the nation to represent and defend the eastern interest more.

I pretty much can agree with all that you said. I am hoping France will be a stronger country moving forward. I know Merkel hasn't told us all, she is waiting until Macron has secured his position. Those two are the new power couple in global politics, mark my words. I have read many comments thinking the same in papers commenting on the last week.

Good fucking times for Europe, if you ask me. :P

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I pretty much can agree with all that you said. I am hoping France will be a stronger country moving forward. I know Merkel hasn't told us all, she is waiting until Macron has secured his position. Those two are the new power couple in global politics, mark my words. I have read many comments thinking the same in papers commenting on the last week.

Good fucking times for Europe, if you ask me. :P

France stronger? With macron?

[Slant]

Do you think the EU will let them in?

Nope. They are just about as bad as Turkey is. They do not understand the concept of democracy, law and order and are simply not aligned enough with our goals. We have enough free riders. EU is going into a phase of consolidation now. Don't expect anyone to join the EU in the next 1-2 decades.

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France stronger? With macron?

Wait for the elections. If he can manage a solid majority, yes, France will be stronger with Macron.

[cubby]

Ukraine wont be (hoping to god) invited before Russia, because the current Snafu is because Russia could not accept Ukraine moving away from Russia and into the western alignment, and that's not going to change (until Russia is in said alignment).

So the reason we don't want Ukraine in the EU is because Russia wouldn't be happy? Are you sure you got that right?

I'm asking if Ukraine is ready to join, not if other countries don't want them to join.

[Acidbaron]

France stronger? With macron?

People raised questions before when a new party came into power from a political movement, so far the trends and results are showing they do rather well.

There's no reason to believe it can't become stronger. Even if it becomes weaker France will continue to play a lead role together with Germany for the reasons mentioned by me earlier.

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People raised questions before when a new party came into power from a political movement, so far the trends and results are showing they do rather well.

There's no reason to believe it can't become stronger. Even if it becomes weaker France will continue to play a lead role together with Germany for the reasons mentioned by me earlier.

Macron a new party?
....?! Macron is Hollande.2 which is Sarkozy.2
Macron is a weak France.

[Deleted]

So the reason we don't want Ukraine in the EU is because Russia wouldn't be happy? Are you sure you got that right?.

given that the EU is Unwilling, Unable, and Uninterested in enforcing Ukraine's sovereignty, yes, they get a veto.

I'm asking if Ukraine is ready to join, not if other countries don't want them to join

They are not even close to.

[Acidbaron]

In the meantime Soros addressed the eu urging to keep Poland and Hungary in check.
This eu won't go anywhere. We lack the balls to keep the sharks out.

Both those nations are a lot of bark and no bite, Poland will not become a bastion of European skepticism and Anti-European sentiment for the simple reason that the nation needs the ability to travel freely for it's subject to work abroad. For that reason people are considering Poland to become probably the most important nation in the East inside the Union.

Hungary, Orban is losing support, is nearing to be excommunicated from the european christian democratic faction. Also Orban is know for making a lot of noise, gets whistled back by Europe and eventually does what is asked of him.

Seems to me there's enough pressure going out from Europe, not sure what kind of actions you would want that are considered legal and something Europe is able to do.

[cubby]

given that the EU is Unwilling, Unable, and Uninterested in enforcing Ukraine's sovereignty, yes, they get a veto.

Do you say that, or does the EU say that? I'm just curious because this seems like more of a personal position rather than how the EU feels. Given that they have already approved trade deals and visa free traveling.

Nvm, I see where actual membership is being denied even a discussion at the moment. Interesting.

They are not even close to.

Yeah, looks like it.

(the article is more than just about the visa - and demonstrates your point)

[Slant]

In a funny twist, France has just officially offered asylum to US citizens, environmentalists and scientists wanting to work on climate change in a country that appreciates them. :P

https://www.pscp.tv/EmmanuelMacron/1jMKgoodLyqKL?t=0