If you have a home robber at your mercy, should it be a crime to execute him?

[zephid]

Totally agree.

In the situation in the OP, what are your thoughts though? Letting someone go who has proven to be willing to take your life and your property is nothing like that.

Tell them to lie down on the floor, watch them, and call the cops.

[Deleted]

Nah.. I mean if someone jumps in front of a car.. can they blame the car if they made a conscious choice to do that? If someone breaks into a home, they cease to be a human and I think its perfectly ok to execute "it" or enslave "it" or whatever. It shouldn't be considered a crime.

[Mifuyne]

What is the deal with people on MMO Champion not working and living off others? its like 1/3 of the people here. No wonder you get upset over this, guilt maybe? Whats your story, why can't you work? You can read and type, why not be a secretary? Let me guess... "anxiety issues" or maybe "my back hurts or I have dizzy spells" Stuff that wouldn't have flown in 1950, am I about on point? I mean explain it to me, really. Why is it cool for you to sit home, have 5,540 mmo champion posts, play video games and have other people who don't even know you pay for you? Ah because you volunteer a few hours a week, makes it all cool I guess.
I mean do you not understand why people like me get upset? I don't want to go to work. Honestly, I'd love some paradise where food magicly appeared, electricity and internet were just free and magicly worked, we could live on a beach, the whole world was just a Hawaii coast line. Sadly, its not. I need to work to support myself. People like you who take away from that hurt me. I don't like that.

Autism and have been depressed my entire life, life currently isn't so bad with heavy doses of medication where I don't have to lay in bed to try and relax enough so my senses don't go haywire.

You don't seem to understand much about the deficits of some people.
Certainly I'd like to do whatever it is "normal" people do and I've done so in the past, with no success.
Tried finishing university 3 times with my own money that I worked for in many different jobs.

Without any kind of degree I cannot gain a workspace it places that are more suited for me.
Not that it would matter much since while I'm getting older, responsibility and "expected to just be one of the masses" is draining my energy like mad.
Don't have much problems working for a month, after that my energy reserves deplete from overstimuli of internal and external factors of life.
I can't shut these stimuli off, thankfully with my current medication I don't get a paralyzing depression and it decreases the amount of stimuli my brain takes in.

Do I feel guilt? Ofcourse I do, it's not like I asked to be born this way or I think it's "fair" but it is reality.
Do I feel guilt because you are spouting nonsense? Naw, I just want to try and show you not everything is black and white.

Thankfully enough you have no say in the matter since you are..well, pretty broken as well from what you have been spouting.
All you do is attack those that are "lower" than you (which I am guessing is most people) and demand their termination.
Not that you even have a single clue on what you are saying or projecting on others.

[Cruor]

Autism and have been depressed my entire life, life currently isn't so bad with heavy doses of medication where I don't have to lay in bed to try and relax enough so my senses don't go haywire.

You don't seem to understand much about the deficits of some people.
Certainly I'd like to do whatever it is "normal" people do and I've done so in the past, with no success.
Tried finishing university 3 times with my own money that I worked for in many different jobs.

Without any kind of degree I cannot gain a workspace it places that are more suited for me.
Not that it would matter much since while I'm getting older, responsibility and "expected to just be one of the masses" is draining my energy like mad.
Don't have much problems working for a month, after that my energy reserves deplete from overstimuli of internal and external factors of life.
I can't shut these stimuli off, thankfully with my current medication I don't get a paralyzing depression and it decreases the amount of stimuli my brain takes in.

Do I feel guilt? Ofcourse I do, it's not like I asked to be born this way or I think it's "fair" but it is reality.
Do I feel guilt because you are spouting nonsense? Naw, I just want to try and show you not everything is black and white.

Thankfully enough you have no say in the matter since you are..well, pretty broken as well from what you have been spouting.
All you do is attack those that are "lower" than you (which I am guessing is most people) and demand their termination.
Not that you even have a single clue on what you are saying or projecting on others.

I don't think I am broken in any way, shape or form. I think you are taking the liberal way out and using minor mental issues to get out of work. I say minor because you are clearly able to read, think, and write. Some people can not do that.

Lets be real: Lets say you were born in 1930. Do you think you could say "I have autism I don't have to work, pay for me" and it would be ok? You would be doing SOMETHING or you would be in the gutter, or if you were lucky your family would pay for you. It is clear you can read. I will actually give you a compliment and say its clear you can read and comprehend unlike a lot of people on MMO champion. I have this other guy quoting me, and he doesn't even read what I post, and says I said things I didn't... with the above quoted post....

Do you think I like working? I don't. I find it hard to focus some times.... most of the time. I have a briefing on new equipment and I'm trying not to yawn in the guys face, my job pays well but I am not into it. I'd much rather be playing video games or be a race car driver or be on the beach but I can't .

Do you have a harder time than the average person focusing and working in a team? Sure, I am willing to believe that. But is it impossible, to the point you can not work and you must be supported by the government? No, not a chance.

I think in todays ultra liberal world, you are diagnosed that you do not pay attention as well or focus as well as the average person. You are given the easy route of sit home and we will pay for you, which you take, as most people prefer the easy route. 70 years ago, they would say "tough shit, try harder." If someone gets their arms cut off in an accident, then yeah, lets help them out. I just think way too many able bodied, able minded people are getting by living off those of us who work and it sucks.

I see it like, we all need water, but just some of us have to labor pushing the big heavy pump crank like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5KYZ74OAak (1:25 onward, and lets pretend it pumps water for this scenario, maybe its a mill, who knows) while others sit chilling, because their pinky toe hurts or something, but everyone gets to drink when the water comes, yet only some people have to work for it.

[Mifuyne]

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You have all the right in the world to believe in what you believe but downplaying mental issues because you either don't understand them enough or don't care enough is downright silly, especially when you want others to believe what you believe.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with my intelligence, as it is even highly above the "average" but guess what, the real world doesn't just rely on one simple statistic that if your IQ is X, you can do Y.

Refering to the past is also useless considering we don't live in it - people progress and so does society.
Things and outlooks change depending on our technology and progression into science, with your mindset progression ends.

And I am doing SOMETHING, unless you think volunteering work and helping out other's is not worthy enough to do be labeled "something".
I've told you in the laymans terms on how my autism/depression/stuff influences my life (it's hardly a "life" in my eyes, but ahwelll).
All I do in my life is struggling in finding clues on how to be more "normal" and not be supported by the government.

There are quite some places where people with disabilities or differences can go and be a productive member of society but it's all in a spectrum.
One Autist is different from the other and whilst the first may be able to find peace and be productive in such a place, the other might not.
Just like anyone else really because you might not be able to do x job or y job.

In this day and age in most modern countries, they try and set up all kinds of things to get people out of the house, no matter what their diagnosis is.
I have volunteering work with my countries (NL) healthcare system where I also debate on "special" workplaces, giving tips and insights into what those places should be like and I've gotten many out of their homes and into a stable environment where they can be productive.

You are entitled to your opinion as much as I am, don't get me wrong.
There's people out there that take advantage of loopholes in the system to obtain healthcare whilst it isn't needed.
But not knowing what you are dealing with and downplaying the effects of psychological differences between humans is startling.
They don't just give out money and leave it at that since I've been in extensive care as long as I can remember which is atleast 23 years.

Loss of limb(s) is also overplayed heavily considering the technological advancements of medical science and robotics.
It's part of a body that can (most of the time) be replaced by some plastic and training considering it isn't as intricate as the human brain.
The brain however? All we currently have is chemicals that try and restrict or open up gates depending on which medication you use.
There is no true medication that eradicates autism or any other disability.

Part of my depression comes from unable to letting go the idea that I can not function well enough in some areas of life.
I keep on pushing myself into areas that after a while, "strike" back at me and I am left with a even bigger feeling of failure.
Not only that, I have to defend my own being from people like you because "all the derps should just die already".

Why do you keep on pressuring about the past?
Was it better than?

Your lack of basic empathy is saddening, as I've seen from your other posts in different threads.
Everyone that you see as inferior (even if they aren't) are a bunch of lazy pussies leechers that should die.
The funny thing is that theres also people above you that see you as inferior and would treat you the same way as you treat those that you deem inferior.

All in all, this was probably my last reply to you since there isn't any point in discussing this topic with the uneducated/those that never have been in the same spot in the first place.
I do however recommend looking into the whole world of different types of psychological problems as it will broaden your own mind and could even give some explanation to things you do not understand (yet).

[Cruor]

You have all the right in the world to believe in what you believe but downplaying mental issues because you either don't understand them enough or don't care enough is downright silly, especially when you want others to believe what you believe.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with my intelligence, as it is even highly above the "average" but guess what, the real world doesn't just rely on one simple statistic that if your IQ is X, you can do Y.

Refering to the past is also useless considering we don't live in it - people progress and so does society.
Things and outlooks change depending on our technology and progression into science, with your mindset progression ends.

And I am doing SOMETHING, unless you think volunteering work and helping out other's is not worthy enough to do be labeled "something".
I've told you in the laymans terms on how my autism/depression/stuff influences my life (it's hardly a "life" in my eyes, but ahwelll).
All I do in my life is struggling in finding clues on how to be more "normal" and not be supported by the government.

There are quite some places where people with disabilities or differences can go and be a productive member of society but it's all in a spectrum.
One Autist is different from the other and whilst the first may be able to find peace and be productive in such a place, the other might not.
Just like anyone else really because you might not be able to do x job or y job.

In this day and age in most modern countries, they try and set up all kinds of things to get people out of the house, no matter what their diagnosis is.
I have volunteering work with my countries (NL) healthcare system where I also debate on "special" workplaces, giving tips and insights into what those places should be like and I've gotten many out of their homes and into a stable environment where they can be productive.

You are entitled to your opinion as much as I am, don't get me wrong.
There's people out there that take advantage of loopholes in the system to obtain healthcare whilst it isn't needed.
But not knowing what you are dealing with and downplaying the effects of psychological differences between humans is startling.
They don't just give out money and leave it at that since I've been in extensive care as long as I can remember which is atleast 23 years.

Loss of limb(s) is also overplayed heavily considering the technological advancements of medical science and robotics.
It's part of a body that can (most of the time) be replaced by some plastic and training considering it isn't as intricate as the human brain.
The brain however? All we currently have is chemicals that try and restrict or open up gates depending on which medication you use.
There is no true medication that eradicates autism or any other disability.

Part of my depression comes from unable to letting go the idea that I can not function well enough in some areas of life.
I keep on pushing myself into areas that after a while, "strike" back at me and I am left with a even bigger feeling of failure.
Not only that, I have to defend my own being from people like you because "all the derps should just die already".

Why do you keep on pressuring about the past?
Was it better than?

Your lack of basic empathy is saddening, as I've seen from your other posts in different threads.
Everyone that you see as inferior (even if they aren't) are a bunch of lazy pussies leechers that should die.
The funny thing is that theres also people above you that see you as inferior and would treat you the same way as you treat those that you deem inferior.

All in all, this was probably my last reply to you since there isn't any point in discussing this topic with the uneducated/those that never have been in the same spot in the first place.
I do however recommend looking into the whole world of different types of psychological problems as it will broaden your own mind and could even give some explanation to things you do not understand (yet).

Your responses are much better then most mmo champion liberals but I still don't think its fair to call people who don't agree with you uneducated. I have graduated college, worked in an office, worked in the army, been over a lot of the states, Asia and Europe. I simply hate welfare. I will stand by the idea that 90% of the people on welfare can do something, they just take the easy way out. It seems that work may be difficult for you so you opt out. Right now, things are your way, we live in a very liberal era. I wouldn't call it advancement, its a change for the worse. Hopefully we will pull back a little to a middle ground... people shouldn't be surfs on a barons land forced to work for peanuts or die, but we are too far in the other direction at the moment.

I view criminals and bums as inferior, yes. I do not see everyone as inferior. I am inferior to a rich good looking in perfect shape man for example. People are not equal, some people are better than others, that's life. However, I support myself and I am not leeching off others, thus I am not dragging anyone else down. I have empathy for someone who is a good person and gets cancer. I do not have empathy for a person who gets food stamps and says "I need more money, I only get enough food stamps to buy steak 2-3 times a week!"

While we are looking at other peoples points of view, try to walk in these shoes: Someone who lives in New York City and earns a good living can keep as little as 39 cents on the dollar after taxes. That is insane. I hope you can see where some anger toward all these social programs might stem from. Do they have a comfortable life? Yes. Could it be better, and lead to a much earlier retirement if taxes were not so damn high? 100% yes.

[Mifuyne]

Your responses are much better then most mmo champion liberals but I still don't think its fair to call people who don't agree with you uneducated. I have graduated college, worked in an office, worked in the army, been over a lot of the states, Asia and Europe. I simply hate welfare.

My apologies, with uneducated I meant that you (probably) have had less information/experience to handle the subject at hand.
For example, I hardly know anything about the army, thus me speaking about the army would be..kind of silly.
You however do have experience as have served in the army. Whilst I do have experience in.. well, being me.
If you do have a lot of experience with disabilities, I was in the wrong to project it upon you.

In my country you can't just have welfare without many psychological check-ups and even then, without a 100% disability, you HAVE to do whatever is in your power to do based on yourself but also specialists. For me to get any kind of money, I have to readily be open to changes in the healthcare system, have to go to certain jobs to see if it fits or not, etc. It's not given to me on a silver platter, and neither can I live off of it "easily" as my current welfare is on 75% of minimum wage.
A lot of that 75% gets injected back into the healthcare and ultimately the public.

Do I dislike people that fake their way into it? Ofcourse I do but there's not much I can do about them, all I can do is about me.
I can fake all I want but that won't make my life any better. I want to not be relying on the paychecks of others because it is demeaning to me.
That doesn't change the facts that SO FAR I haven't been able to find something that is suited to my personal needs.

And trust me, I know it sucks to have money taken away from you that you have spend power on to obtain.
Money spend on welfare checks don't suddenly disappear tho, since that money is in a cycle system where it turns up at the top again and dripples down.
As said before (in my case), a lot of my money goes directly back into healthcare and in turn into medical science.
With enough funding and the ideal to "heal" people together with experts in the field, great jumps in medical science have happened since it's inception.
Any kind of drug or medication, even many electrical appliances are directly derivited from this particular field.

I am not familiar with how the healthcare and welfare system works in America so I can't really discuss anything about it.

Until they eliminate anyone that is different from the norm or can eliminate diseases and illnesses, people are always dependant on one-another in our current society. You can do what you do because of others. It's most likely easier since you fall into the norm of a x class citizen. By widening the norm (instead of making it smaller) those that are unable to abide by these norms are given a chance and contribute, however miniscule it might seem to you instead of not being able to contribute at all.

Being loathed and taken away chances of contributing due to needing specialized help isn't helpful and will cripple people.
The leeches you speak of will not talk back to you since they don't care aslong as they can fool the system.
I'm however saddened by the fact that there are people out there that would like me to die just because I was born differently.

My disabilities are the way they are, just as for many other people.
We don't need apologies on how "terrible" it is and all that shit, it doesn't make our lives better.
Understanding and help when needed is what we need, and if that is given to us we can repay society by contributing as well.
People with disabilities continue to succesfully intergrate into society by the money that is being paid by everyone.
There are outliers and those that have not yet been able to but don't clump us into the same group as leeches that purposely deceit the system.

[Forgottenone]

My home, it's my one place on this planet where I should feel completely safe and secure. The place I where I let my guard down and am completely relaxed. The place where my wife, my kids, and my dog live. If someone breaks into my home then they will be very lucky to leave uninjured.

In this scenario, I wouldn't execute the person unless I knew this person from work (I work as a prison officer). If they are a former inmate they are likely done for because that means they traced me to my home and likely had intentions worse than stealing. I won't risk them going to a prison and spreading information easily for others when they get out. Outside of that, I would just call the police and wait. Between me and my dog, it would take balls of steel to try something when they are at a huge disadvantage.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

I have been in a breaking and entering situation several years ago. But I am also a combat veteran. So being in a situation like that wasn't as "terrifying" for me as it would likely be for someone never in that situation. Not to say I wasn't scared because of course I was, but experience helps calm the nerves a bit. I was armed and pretty much watched the guy for a few minutes to determine what he was doing, what he was armed with (in my case not armed), and trying to figure what his mental state was. Once I felt I picked most of these things up I flicked the lights on and pointed the rifle at him. He freaked but once he saw I had the upper hand he toss his hands up. I asked him to lift his shirt up to show he didn't have a piece in his belt. Once he did that I told him to get the fuck out and never come back and to tell his buddies I don't fuck around. Then I called the police and gave a description, they dusted the window he had jimmy'ed open and pulled some prints, and let them know I had threatened him with a weapon just in case they heard about it though the grape that someone at my crib has pointing guns at people etc.

At any point did I think about executing him? Fuck no. First of all that would make a terrible fucking mess in my house. Second thing is killing people isn't usually the best course of action. I mean it wouldn't have fixed the window. It wouldn't have given me any justice. It just would have had some guy dead. Then suddenly I might have to defend myself in court legally or in civil courts if he had family with some money and a lawyer. Not to mention I would have killed a man which isn't something you forget very easily unless you are a real piece of shit.

[mauserr]

Yes, of course.
You don't shoot an unarmed person.
This would be a crime even in war, of course it's a crime when it's a simply thief.

You won, it's over.

Yeah, you won for the time period where they didn't come back to kill you for stopping you. Next time they'll be more careful and you will be the one executed.

[Mifuyne]

Yeah, you won for the time period where they didn't come back to kill you for stopping you. Next time they'll be more careful and you will be the one executed.

Why take the chance and not just kill everyone anyhow?
/s

[mauserr]

Why take the chance and not just kill everyone anyhow?
/s

Yeah, why not?

Robbers or basically anyone else you aren't expecting on your property aren't zombies that you're supposed to exterminate. Even if they were after your money and valuables, that doesn't make it right for you to take their lives. And that's not just the law, you should feel it would be wrong, even if you knew you would get away with it.
They deserve jail, not death.

But if they invade, you don't ask questions first, you shoot first. I'm totally going to risk my life and the life of my family to detain and save the life of a criminal. No, I'll shoot to kill the moment somebody invades my shit.

The castle law actually allows you to kill them in self defence. You hear people smashing your shit (breaking in or just being stupid and making noise), you get your gun if you have one and then shoot the motherfucker.

[Mifuyne]

Yeah, why not?

Don't cry if you look at someone funny and you get stabbed then.

The castle law actually allows you to kill them in self defence. You hear people smashing your shit (breaking in or just being stupid and making noise), you get your gun

Do you even know what self defense means?

[mauserr]

Don't cry if you look at someone funny and you get stabbed then.

I thought my reply was obviously sarcastic, especially after that follow up post, apparently not, note to self - add /s.. Executing somebody while they're really defenseless and pose no threat whatsoever to you - murder. Killing somebody who broke into your house and so the threat is still there? Absolutely legal.

Don't cry if you look at someone funny and you get stabbed then.


Do you even know what self defense means?

Yeah, I'm a filthy foreigner after 4 hours of sleep, fuck me right in the ass. You have the right to defend yourself. You don't go around your house at night asking if they're going to kill you. That's stupid and if you do that you deserve to be killed right there. You also shouldn't have procreated at this point so people don't inherit (see, I almost wrote inheir but I saw the mistake before clicking "save") that stupidity.

[Mifuyne]

I thought my reply was obviously sarcastic, especially after that follow up post, apparently not, note to self - add /s.. Executing somebody while they're really defenseless and pose no threat whatsoever to you - murder. Killing somebody who broke into your house and so the threat is still there? Absolutely legal.

It's the internet, sarcasm isn't always picked up since what you think is normal might be absurd to me and vice-versa.
/s is a great way to avoid counter!

Anyhow, random drunk/whatever substance, psychotic or whatever it is that made them enter your house just wants to drink tea with you.
Do you just blindly shoot his head off since apparently "entering your property" is self-defense in your eyes.

I *think* this highly illegal in every first world country and you will be punished for it.

[Aggrophobic]

Yeah, you won for the time period where they didn't come back to kill you for stopping you. Next time they'll be more careful and you will be the one executed.

So execute all criminals, whatever crime they commit?
That 5 year old that take a candy without asking, just remove him, yeah?

What the heck is wrong with you? You can just kill everyone.

[Flatspriest]

If you have a home robber at your mercy, then you should put him in jail for several years so that he has to be constantly reminded that the time to pay for his crime is much greater than you simply killing him. The only time you should kill a home robber is if you are in fear for yours or your families lives.