Rogue t21 set bonuses

[scarfdeath]

Assassination

•Item - Rogue T21 Assassination 2P Bonus - Envenom Increases Poison Crit Chance (New) While Envenom is on the target, your Deadly and Wound poisons have 0% increases chance to critically strike the target.

•Item - Rogue T21 Assassination 4P Bonus - Poison Crit Generates Energy (New) When your Deadly or Wound poisons critically strike the target, you have 0% chance to gain 0 Energy.

Outlaw

•Item - Rogue T21 Outlaw 2P Bonus - Extra Saber Slash Buffs Run Through (New) Extra attacks from Saber Slash increase the damage of your next Run Through by 0%, stacking up to 0 times.

•Item - Rogue T21 Outlaw 4P Bonus - Run Through Grants Random RtB Buff (New) Run Through has a 0% chance to grant you a random effect from Roll the Bones that you don't already have active for 0 sec.

Subtlety

•Item - Rogue T21 Subtlety 2P Bonus - Combo Points Spent Buffs Backstab (New) Each Combo Point spent increases the damage of your next Backstab by 0%.
•Item - Rogue T21 Subtlety 4P Bonus - Nightblade and Eviscerate CP Refund (New) Nightblade and Eviscerate have a 0% chance to refund 0 Combo Points when used.

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can we already end ToS and start the next tier ?

[Deleted]

first and sweet

looks pretty insane for all specs

I guess shoulders will be replaced in T21 for assass. bracers boots incoming?

[Varolyn]

All of these bonuses look nice, but while the assassination 2 piece looks kinda weak with shoulders, the 4 piece will be very strong with them. Only minor complaint is that I feel that the sub 4 piece is too similar to the assassination t17 4 piece but overall is still nice.

I also like how the assassination bonuses have both ST and AoE implications.

[Xanatu]

Amazing. The outlaw one especially. Talk about actual flavor.

[samao]

Talents
Weaponmaster Your abilities have a 6% 100% chance to hit the target twice each time they deal damage. Subtlety Rogue - Level 15 Talent.

?

Would be funny.

[Eazy]

Sub - boring.
Assa - nice for ST/AoE situations.
Outlaw - very interesting.

[Zenlogic]

Sub - boring.
Assa - nice for ST/AoE situations.
Outlaw - very interesting.

What other situation do you find yourself in as any dps other than ST or AoE

[DakonBlackblade]

What other situation do you find yourself in as any dps other than ST or AoE

I asked myself the same thing.

They all look nice, but the Sin one has the potential to be awesome or terrible, it all depends on how much extra crit we get from envenom and how much extra energy we get when DP crits. And as someone mentioned above it has a wierd interaction with the shoulders, as the 2p devalues it and the 4p empowers it.

[Critical92]

The sub set could be 5% for 5 cp or 50% for 1 cp. I am interested about the %. All set effects look interesting.

[Findlyn]

No one going to point out that, by the wording of 2 piece, they are either changing how envenom works, or the person responsible for making the set bonus's has literally 0 idea on how assassination functions?

[omeomorfismo]

No one going to point out that, by the wording of 2 piece, they are either changing how envenom works, or the person responsible for making the set bonus's has literally 0 idea on how assassination functions?

? the bonus add to the envenom buff that improve poison application the crit chance

[Findlyn]

Envenom isnt a debuff, its a buff on you. So when you hit yourself, you have a better chance at critting yourself?

[Critical92]

No one going to point out that, by the wording of 2 piece, they are either changing how envenom works, or the person responsible for making the set bonus's has literally 0 idea on how assassination functions?

I think blizz forgot to mention that envenom becomes a debuff too. Now you can multi envenom your targets while multi dot your targets while sticking to a main target with vendetta and toxicblades.

[elfporn]

Envenom isnt a debuff, its a buff on you. So when you hit yourself, you have a better chance at critting yourself?

wtf are you smoking? Envenom is a buff granting increased poison application chance by 30%. The set bonus will tack onto that buff an effect that increases the critical strike chance of poisons by x%.

While the wording may indicate it's a debuff on the target (which may end up being the case) it's likely that it's a tooltip error where someone worded it incorrectly.

So someone made a mistake, and it's just an additional effect added to the envenom buff.

Or, they are adding a debuff to envenom so that its use generates both a personal buff and a target specific debuff.

What's so difficult to understand?

[Riverr]

wtf are you smoking? Envenom is a buff granting increased poison application chance by 30%. The set bonus will tack onto that buff an effect that increases the critical strike chance of poisons by x%.

While the wording may indicate it's a debuff on the target (which may end up being the case) it's likely that it's a tooltip error where someone worded it incorrectly.

So someone made a mistake, and it's just an additional effect added to the envenom buff.

Or, they are adding a debuff to envenom so that its use generates both a personal buff and a target specific debuff.

What's so difficult to understand?

Calm down man, he made a valid complaint that the 2-set text implies its a target debuff where as we all know (as did the poster) that it is a player buff. And if they were to make it a target debuff, that truely would be the final nail for the enjoyability (?) of the spec.

[Eazy]

What other situation do you find yourself in as any dps other than ST or AoE

Just for AOE or just for ST.

Envenom isnt a debuff, its a buff on you. So when you hit yourself, you have a better chance at critting yourself?

Emo rogues.

[Essem]

Sub 2 set looks alright, 4 set looks very dull, want something with more oomph to it.

2 set - Looks fine as is.
4 set - Nightblade and Eviscerate has a % chance to hit as it was used with 1 extra CP.

So 7 CP with DS and 6 if not. Also synergises with 2 set.

[milkbonez]

"You know what sub gameplay needs? You know what that spec is missing? RNG. Let's put it in the next set bonus, boys!!"

[shaunika123]

"You know what sub gameplay needs? You know what that spec is missing? RNG. Let's put it in the next set bonus, boys!!"

you already have to react to ST and WM RNG, how is this any different?
RNG that improves the skillcap im fine with

RNG is only crappy when it's stuff like poison bomb

[Varolyn]

It's going to be interesting to see what the numbers on the sub 2-piece is going to be, because depending how high it is, it might be worth using a backstab/gloomblade during dance with dark shadow, if it's damage with the stacks exceed that of a regular shadowstrike.