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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Socronoss View Post
    I found it funny that they do some class tuning so shortly before this tournament begins. Warry & Rogue nerfs will still not be enough to prevent them from being dominant in every one of those 32 Regional teams.

    And for those saying "Drums are enough": If those 5% more haste during BL shave off even 10 seconds of every boss, then you will most probably want to take a class than can do it, if it does comparable DPS in addition. If you compare BM, Mage or Ele, they are definitely on par with all other ranged. Combine that with an additional Battle Rez of the BM, that is likely to be the standard combo.
    A little hint: nuke dps isn't anything at m+ >20. Meowchans team has the best group comp imo for the upcoming ID (DK, HPala, Warrior, Rogue, Bdruid). Once you are on the tournament servers you can play any class you want.
    Last edited by elprofessor; 2017-07-25 at 06:29 PM.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Jullyx View Post
    Pretty sure resto druids are ok at dps too.
    http://imgur.com/8nrKKLV

    He is the best rdruid in the world though.
    This druid shit needs to be nerfed.

    /signed
    Resto Sham

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Killface1 View Post
    Probably because from a raid standpoint, VDH have literally nothing else going for them in comparison to other tanks besides their DPS, which is dependent on not moving too much.

    From a mythic + standpoint, VDH is broke af
    Check logs on mythic raids... VDH isnt highest. The only thing they can do is be most offensive tank if they gear for it at the price of survivability.

    SO yes, in heroic raids, VDH is a monster in dam, but once they need proper survivability damage goes down QUICKLY. Same for high tyrannical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemol View Post
    You got roasted boi

    i did 1.9mil dps on Desolate Host as VDH, solod the spirit phase. can u do that?
    On mythic desolated host?

  4. #84
    OP where is your teamcomp? can't find it in the top 32

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Dangg View Post
    OP where is your teamcomp? can't find it in the top 32
    Yeah lot of BM hunters and Elemental shamans in the top teams...

  6. #86
    Thread predictions are ehhhhhhhhhhh

    There are a variety of tanks who have done keys in the 20-23 range with only dks doing a 24. Not that huge a gap.

    Arms/Sub/Affliction/Boomy/MM are the strongest most flexible dps

    BM and is only decent for BRES or if the hunt sucks at moving. Ele shaman almost non existant.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Korban View Post
    This druid shit needs to be nerfed.

    /signed
    Resto Sham
    They should let all Healers have a talent or playstyle where they can do decent dps as a trade off for not healing as well or efficiently.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtybrew View Post
    Thread predictions are ehhhhhhhhhhh

    There are a variety of tanks who have done keys in the 20-23 range with only dks doing a 24. Not that huge a gap.

    Arms/Sub/Affliction/Boomy/MM are the strongest most flexible dps

    BM and is only decent for BRES or if the hunt sucks at moving. Ele shaman almost non existant.
    It was obvious for anyone pushing high keys that Ele shaman would never be a top pick... In high fortified bosses are still a problem (when i watched Fragnance stream, a lot of their runs where failed on a boss). The damage loss on ST is just not worth it when a warrior can do the same damage on packs and way more on bosses.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by gushDH View Post
    drums = 25% haste. when you compete to be the best in the world, you want every little bit of power.
    Yup....Was thinking along similar lines. Also, the three classes that can lust are all strong in M+, there is no reason not to bring a Shaman/Hunter/Mage

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtybrew View Post

    BM and is only decent for BRES or if the hunt sucks at moving. Ele shaman almost non existant.
    Ele is very strong in M+ and has decent representation. Not sure where you're getting that from.

    They've been one of the better M+ specs since launch.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Riistov View Post
    Ele is very strong in M+ and has decent representation. Not sure where you're getting that from.

    They've been one of the better M+ specs since launch.
    Very strong in terms of what, dps? dps is a non-issue. The final cut is made by utility, survivability and the effectiveness of each class with different m+ affixes. Nearly all abilites which are doing over 1 mil base damage on M+0 are one shotting ele shamans with 4.5 mil hp and prydaz on +20 even without tyrannical.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Riistov View Post
    Ele is very strong in M+ and has decent representation. Not sure where you're getting that from.

    They've been one of the better M+ specs since launch.
    People in this thread are talking about pushing very high keys to compete in the M+ tournament. At the moment it looks like in the 32 teams to qualify for the next round, only one is using a DPS Shaman. Not exactly "decent representation".

  12. #92
    I'm hoping this competition sees actual warrior nerfs, because they're not just a little bit overpowered. They don't have a huge amount of utility and yet they're in nearly every team, seeing the amount of damage frag was doing post-nerfs was utterly stupid.

    That and some utility changes to make other comps more generally viable would be nice. Unfortunately I think the actual tournament is going to be easy dungeons and high gear so the tuning issues in dungeons won't be apparent, but the comps will be.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Riistov View Post
    Yup....Was thinking along similar lines. Also, the three classes that can lust are all strong in M+, there is no reason not to bring a Shaman/Hunter/Mage

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    Ele is very strong in M+ and has decent representation. Not sure where you're getting that from.

    They've been one of the better M+ specs since launch.
    In low m+ they seem impressive because they burst adds down so fast, but their ST damage is their downfall. You can't just carry an Aoe build Ele on a boss fight,even in fortified week. And if the Ele build ST, then he still has mediocre ST damage and his Aoe damage is now only decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plastkin View Post
    I'm hoping this competition sees actual warrior nerfs, because they're not just a little bit overpowered. They don't have a huge amount of utility and yet they're in nearly every team, seeing the amount of damage frag was doing post-nerfs was utterly stupid.

    That and some utility changes to make other comps more generally viable would be nice. Unfortunately I think the actual tournament is going to be easy dungeons and high gear so the tuning issues in dungeons won't be apparent, but the comps will be.
    If the keys are low (compared to what they are doing right now) it will heavily favor warriors (you can do monster pulls and just burst them down so fast). Warriors only weaknesses is their survability which can be exposed in high Tyranical dungeons (or even fortified tbh, just look at the fragnance stream from last week) and the fact that they are melees.

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