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    Question for people that think others owe them something in life.

    Where does this believe come from?

    And in this case, by owing something I mean for example society owing you/us food and shelter, or welfare, or a regulated economy and job market, etc.

    Is it a believe you got through your parents/upbringing? Is it perhaps a believe that developed itself due to your life experiences and expectations?

    I am genuinely interested in this because it's a very strange concept for me. I was raised in a family that always worked towards being independent from others as much as possible and never to expect free hand outs in life and I guess all my friends and colleagues are pretty much the same, because "like attracts like".
    So I personally have no one in my direct social circle that seems to have this believe and many people on this forum however do seem to have it, so I figured I ask it here.

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    WTF?
    ...where does the belief that anyone will answer this topic with any honesty come from?

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    First of all - "Belief" is the noun you're looking for.

    OT: I have paid enough taxes that society owes me a great deal of monetary value.

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    I pay my taxes and so I am owed good governance by the people they are paid to, e.g. well run hospitals. I do not claim benefits, if I had to I would, but it would be a temporary measure as far as I am concerned.

    I understand that it all has to be paid for, which is a concept the socialists tend to struggle with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    WTF?
    ...where does the belief that anyone will answer this topic with any honesty come from?
    Agreed. This personality is hilarious. Despite the facade he's trying to portray, he asks questions quite reminiscent of one suffering from Asperger's. So much facepalm...

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    Unless you want a society where you have people starving and dying in the streets "welfare" is important.

    "I was raised in a family that always worked towards being independent from others as much as possible and never to expect free hand outs in life and I guess all my friends and colleagues are pretty much the same"

    Lucky you. Not everyone was fortunate enough to have that upbringing. Some people were raised by feckless losers and so might not be as independent as you.. Maybe such people deserve the break you had growing up too. Pretty selfish to think "screw em". Perhaps some of the people who helped create the society you benefit from today wouldn't even have been around to do so without welfare in the past.

    Sometimes bad things happen to good hard working that are completely beyond their control and without outside help some of those people would literally be dead. If someone is involved in accident and as a result ends up in a position where they can't fend for themselves should they be left to the wolves or should they be helped ? A society that doesn't help those who need it isn't a society at all.

    You have a very black and white view of things but you don't actually seem to have thought things through at all. Very easy to do when things are going well.. You might change your view if you found yourself in the position of someone who had lost everything and could find no way back.

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    I don't owe you anything, bub.

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    Perhaps the OP believes that everyone should have been as lucky to have parents that were in good socioeconomic standing.

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    I don't believe people owe me though I do need their support

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    The "belief" comes from two areas:

    1. I pay taxes, I expect something in return.
    2. This is the biggest one: A nation that takes care of it's people and protects its citizens is a nation that thrives and succeeds.
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    Still playing the self-made business man act? Let me ask you this, where would you be if not for society? Everyone benefits from society in one way or another, some are born into shitty situations while others are born in well of families. It's also in our best interest to help those who need it in our society.

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    Is this yet another veiled attack at the poorest and the neediest people in society? Personally, I believe in socialism and I have been brought up with the idea that we all have a duty to care for one another and that means in a truly progressive and fair society we owe the poorest and the disabled in society a sense of sympathy and that can come in the form of welfare or free health care for ALL.

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    You know OP, I have no idea why you're using a special font. I noticed it in another thread, and it bothered me to add you to my ignore list, but I was too lazy at the time.

    Is there a reason you aren't using the default font? It's unappealing to my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    Personally, I believe in socialism...
    You support a system that has led to the violent deaths of tens of millions of people? Was Fascism not vile enough for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    You support a system that has led to the violent deaths of tens of millions of people? Was Fascism not vile enough for you?
    Wait socialism? Not communism?

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    If a society claims to be civilized, then they owe new additions to that society certain things; proper childcare, healthcare and an education. If those things aren't automatically given to newly born babies, and then to children as they start growing up, then that society doesn't get to call itself a society, there is no law, and anyone can just rob, rape and murder as much as they want to. Once these new human beings hit adulthood, if they pay in to a system through taxation, they are owed certain things.

    Aside from that, people aren't owed much anything.

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    It is a believe that knowing the proper spelling and noun to use will grant me something. Also great thread, super thought out, bet lots of honest and self introspective answers will come of this. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    You support a system that has led to the violent deaths of tens of millions of people? Was Fascism not vile enough for you?
    As someone else already pointed out socialism and communism are not the same thing. Having said that the deathtoll of communist countries is widely exaggerated and this is demonstrated with the widely disparate death estimations during Mao's Great leap forward. So don't mind me if I don't buy into your filthy Euro-American propaganda about a fair system that has been tarnished by bad luck and poorly administered regimes.

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    Logical conclusion really

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