Gul'dan's fate

[Felixon]

Today I would to discuss with you how Gul'dan's life would turn out if he wouldn't be handicapped. If before the Chronicles,all we knew was that Gul'dan was a power hungry shaman,who was an apprentice of Nerzhul and who doomed his own people in a quest for power. The Chronicles though,show him in a bit other light,displaying how bullied he was by his own tribesmen due to him being handicapped. It also shows,that he actually wanted to learn the path of a shaman,but the elements turned away from and the only power which didn't was fel and KJ who stood behind it.
With everything that i've mentioned above,how do you think,would he take his path if he would be healthy and treated as equal by his own kind?Did he become a "Darkness Incarnate" only because he was physically abused and mocked daily?


Share your thoughts!

[Restors]

To be honest, I always thought there were two kinds of stories for guldan. One from our own Azeroth Universe, the guldan being apprentice of Nerzhul. And then there is the Alternative Universe Guldan, which is the one from Warlords from Draenor, where his background is shown ingame cinematic of Harbinger.

[Zabatakis]

The reason the elements recoiled from him was he lusted for power like no other. Most shamans seek balance or some such thing, he just wanted power. So, by the time he reached out to the elements he was already fubared as a person.

[lifebinderx]

He would most probably work in mc donald's ice cream stand as a healthy orc shaman.

Are u really bored that much?

[Deleted]

No i don't think he would have been a 'good' character regardless injuries. Torment can twist people but you don't suddenly become an attempted world killer because someone was mean to you. He was always going to end up on some version of a path to power. If he was powerful warrior like Blackhand he'd attempt to conqueror Dreanor with might not magic. His a prick through and through.

Hell he only learnt teamwork because soloing all of Azeroth would be impossible. He'd have to kill everyone, every child and hero would stand oppose to him. In short he only works as a team player to get more power no other reason. He doesn't have a vision or purpose beyond gathering more power. The Legion might be evil but it's serves a purpose, it burns worlds for a reason.

[Netherspark]

To be honest, I always thought there were two kinds of stories for guldan. One from our own Azeroth Universe, the guldan being apprentice of Nerzhul. And then there is the Alternative Universe Guldan, which is the one from Warlords from Draenor, where his background is shown ingame cinematic of Harbinger.

They partially merged the two in the Chronicle.

Basically harbinger happened, then he went and faked his way into being Ner'zhul's apprentice.

[HeiAggra]

He would became the peace loving orc that would lead draenor to salvation with his great compasion and true devotion to make sure all orcs where equal and ensure no more fights for his kind!
Or maybe not...

[lifebinderx]

He would became the peace loving orc that would lead draenor to salvation with his great compasion and true devotion to make sure all orcs where equal and ensure no more fights for his kind!
Or maybe not...

No mc donald's?

[Felixon]

He would most probably work in mc donald's ice cream stand as a healthy orc shaman.

Are u really bored that much?

And your actual point is? If you think,that discussing the lore of Warcraft is "dumb" and "lame" and people doing it out of boredom,it means that this part of forum is not for you.

[Venziir]

To be honest, I always thought there were two kinds of stories for guldan. One from our own Azeroth Universe, the guldan being apprentice of Nerzhul. And then there is the Alternative Universe Guldan, which is the one from Warlords from Draenor, where his background is shown ingame cinematic of Harbinger.

Harbinger story goes for both. The difference is, that in the MU, Gul'dan goes to Ner'zhul, where as in the AU, he gets imprisoned by Grommash and used as a fel-battery.

[HeiAggra]

No mc donald's?

Never thought about felburger... maybe could work!

[Aucald]

I would imagine that if Gul'dan wasn't mocked and exiled for his relative frailty he would've gone on to become a powerful Elder Shaman and likely a leader within his clan or the greater assembly of Shamans of the Draenor Clans.

[Restors]

Harbinger story goes for both. The difference is, that in the MU, Gul'dan goes to Ner'zhul, where as in the AU, he gets imprisoned by Grommash and used as a fel-battery.

How can Harbinger story go for MU Guldan? I mean, Guldan were already nerzhuls apprentice before having demonic powers.

[Aucald]

How can Harbinger story go for MU Guldan? I mean, Guldan were already nerzhuls apprentice before having demonic powers.

In "Chronicle Vol. 2" Gul'dan's backstory is explored further. The "Harbingers" events happen pretty much without alteration - Gul'dan is a member of a minor, unnamed clan who is exiled for frailty. He journeys to the Throne of the Elements to seek out the elements and is turned away, but is then contacted by Kil'jaeden and given the power of the Fel. Kil'jaeden commands him to seek out Ner'zhul, where he ingratiates himself to the Elder Shaman of the Shadowmoon clan and becomes his apprentice, setting up the events of "Rise of the Horde" quite nicely.

The story for MU Gul'dan is essentially retconned into Gul'dan already having some demonic and Fel powers as Gul'dan's Shaman apprentice. Not much really changes about his motivations or actions afterward, just that his heel-face turn toward evil happened well before it did in the original novel.

[Venziir]

How can Harbinger story go for MU Guldan? I mean, Guldan were already nerzhuls apprentice before having demonic powers.

They changed that bit in Chronicles vol 2. The story is now, that the crippled Gul'dan, banished by his clan, went to the Throne of the Elements, where Kil'jaeden gave him the fel when the Elements abandoned him. They made a pact and Gul'dan went to join the Shadowmoon Clan. Ner'zhul took pity on him, which he'd live to regret not long after. It doesn't change much really, it basically just changes the fact that, Gul'dan was Ner'zhul's apprentice but chose to hide his powers, instead of he was his apprentice before having his powers. Anyways; http://wow.gamepedia.com/Gul%27dan#Early_life

[Restors]

They changed that bit in Chronicles vol 2. The story is now, that the crippled Gul'dan, banished by his clan, went to the Throne of the Elements, where Kil'jaeden gave him the fel when the Elements abandoned him. They made a pact and Gul'dan went to join the Shadowmoon Clan. Ner'zhul took pity on him, which he'd live to regret not long after. It doesn't change much really, it basically just changes the fact that, Gul'dan was Ner'zhul's apprentice but chose to hide his powers, instead of he was his apprentice before having his powers. Anyways; http://wow.gamepedia.com/Gul%27dan#Early_life

In "Chronicle Vol. 2" Gul'dan's backstory is explored further. The "Harbingers" events happen pretty much without alteration - Gul'dan is a member of a minor, unnamed clan who is exiled for frailty. He journeys to the Throne of the Elements to seek out the elements and is turned away, but is then contacted by Kil'jaeden and given the power of the Fel. Kil'jaeden commands him to seek out Ner'zhul, where he ingratiates himself to the Elder Shaman of the Shadowmoon clan and becomes his apprentice, setting up the events of "Rise of the Horde" quite nicely.

The story for MU Gul'dan is essentially retconned into Gul'dan already having some demonic and Fel powers as Gul'dan's Shaman apprentice. Not much really changes about his motivations or actions afterward, just that his heel-face turn toward evil happened well before it did in the original novel.

Thanks for clarifying!

[lifebinderx]

And your actual point is? If you think,that discussing the lore of Warcraft is "dumb" and "lame" and people doing it out of boredom,it means that this part of forum is not for you.

Discussing lore should be about ongoing or past things, if not future spoilers or hints. Making up lore from ur butt is not discussion. I read and enjoy spoilers or gaps on the lore cleared by forum members.

[Deleted]

Do we even have confirmation that Gul'dan is permanently dead? I'd say his fel corruption was so complete that he would reform in the Twisting Nether. But I don't fully understand the ending of Legion just yet, perhaps the demons can't reform after our victory. Anyone know?

[Raetary]

Do we even have confirmation that Gul'dan is permanently dead? I'd say his fel corruption was so complete that he would reform in the Twisting Nether. But I don't fully understand the ending of Legion just yet, perhaps the demons can't reform after our victory. Anyone know?

he's dead.
gul'dan wasnt a demon.

and the end of the burning legion doesnt stop demons from renewing.

[xuros]

Gul'dan, Warcrafts SJW's new wet dream! #ButHeShouldHaveBeenCreatedEqualToTheOtherOrcs!