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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowz View Post
    7.3 PTR testers. Is Ele going to be viable in 7.3?

    I am shelving my Havoc DH as we are receiving no buffs and are middle of the pack or lower.
    If you're re-rolling because you're worried about not receiving buffs & being "middle of the pack" then Elemental is not the spec for you. Go play a Rogue, Mage or Warlock.

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    There is no kj kill with a dps shaman afaik and there won't be for quite some time. At least not before the mechanics of the fight get a few nerfs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binkenstein View Post
    If you're re-rolling because you're worried about not receiving buffs & being "middle of the pack" then Elemental is not the spec for you. Go play a Rogue, Mage or Warlock.
    I'm an old Shaman player. Vanilla ---> Cata. I'm well aware of the state of Shamans over the last 10 years. ICC Elemental was the bomb(PvP too), RIP never forget.

    I was there during the Bus Shock fiasco. I just can't see myself really enjoying any other ranged.

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    I really love my ele shaman been playing him since BC. That being said I couldn't keep up with my raid. DPS just was not there. Rerolled a Mage much happier. I still play my shaman I just don't raid progression with him.

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    Havoc DH is sorta shit too right now :P

    Theres 2 Shamans in the world with avatar Mythic afaik, and they require massive babysitting to survive that fight. You need external CDs.


    If you look at dev posts for Shamans, they are working a LOT on the class, but after so many patches of working hard at it, and nothing is ever getting better. They keep caring about our AoE, CL vs EQ. Why don't they just flat out buff us?

    Frost DK is in the same boat, they are getting talent reworks and 30% dmg buff across the board for 7.3 and we're getting quite literally nothing. a 6% aura buff that's it, a bit stronger mastery too but its a lot more expensive per 1%
    Last edited by Tangman; 2017-08-12 at 08:00 PM.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Epicon View Post
    Beast Master Hunter also gets an honorable mention for, "The spec that totally shit the bed for an entire expansion" award.
    At least BM hunter has free mobility and turtle to soak stuff.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    I dunno, people who are leveling perhaps?

    It's just bad game design to make healing specs do more damage than DPS specs.
    And prot spec do more damage than dps spec while leveling, same with healing specs. I think its something with scaling to help those specs level as fast as dps while solo. They just overdo this or simple undertuned dps specs in leveling.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Tangman View Post
    Havoc DH is sorta shit too right now :P

    If you look at dev posts for Shamans, they are working a LOT on the class, but after so many patches of working hard at it, and nothing is ever getting better. They keep caring about our AoE, CL vs EQ. Why don't they just flat out buff us?
    Flat out buff wont help sadly, yes it might put us higher on the charts, but the way the spec works at the moment is far more important in my opinion. At the moment I am 931 ilvl equiped and I find out that I suffer way more from how the spec works rather than the underpowered damage. Movement is pain in the a**, survivabilty is horrible, utility... what utility?

    To be honest I don't think we will see some major changes to the spec in the next patch aswell, we are just too far in the expansion for a drastic change.

    As for mytic raiding, you will be probably benched most of the times if your guild has sufficient number of range dps that they can use. I've been lucky enough that my guild lacks ranged dps and at the moment I am in the mytic roaster, though I feel uselss on most of the fights, of course there are places when you can shine but thats about it.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    At least BM hunter has free mobility and turtle to soak stuff.
    Which is what got them raid spots in mythic KJ kills. BM is an asset for a mythic raiding roster. DPS shaman is not (and maybe a liability if they need externals to survive).

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    What ranged DPS/caster can compete with BM anyway? Simple spec ('rotation'), free movement(let's say instant casts), can soak, can stun. This latest raid has (too)many mechanics that require soaking/using imunities to ignore/cheese/handle mechanics.

    Are there many specs 'better' for raiding Mythic than ele? Definitely.

    Still, I hope (think!) that more than 90% of us chose a class that they Enjoy, and the mythic pro raiders are a minority.

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    Mythic pro raiders dont play what the enjoy most of the time, they play what's best and they enjoy the race, more often than the class/spec

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazela View Post
    How to fix ele in 3 easy steps:

    1. Roll game back to 5.4
    2. ???
    3. Profit
    Ele was so fine that you needed the T4 exploit that gave you 20% more spellpower to compete with other classes.

    The problem with ele is that devs think ele is fine. Everytime they buff one thing they feel that another thing should be nerfed. You can see it on the ptr right now: Earthquake needs a buff because nobody uses it -> they buff earthquake and to compensate for that buff they nerf chain lightning.
    The devs say ele is a aoe specialist and therefore its single target damage should be lower. But its not even that good in aoe situations. Moonkins,Mages,Warriors are mich better in multitarget AND singletarget dps. Blizzard just dont want people to play ele.

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    Elemental is fine to clear all available content, people just like to whine out of proportion when it comes to certain things. If youre not a top tier guild, it doesn't matter what spec you are, you will overgear fights as you get to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangman View Post
    Elemental is fine to clear all available content, people just like to whine out of proportion when it comes to certain things. If youre not a top tier guild, it doesn't matter what spec you are, you will overgear fights as you get to them.
    So we should just take everything as is? These kind of posts annoy the crap out of me.

    Even though I somewhat agree that people can be a tad aggresive at small things with the spec. I can fully understand why they'd act that way. Yes, you can clear most things as Elemental. But that doesn't change the fact that people still feel responsible for their own performance even if the guild they are raiding with only just does heroic.

    ToS has been amazing at showing the many shortcomings Elemental currently has. Elemental has been through so many rough tiers/patches without blizzard seemingly understanding what the hell they are doing with the spec. Applying another band-aid fix is just a slap in the face especially considering they want a trade-off to said band-aid.

    Personally I find hoping for a more favorable set-item or boss fights in the next raid not acceptable. Granted I fully understand reworks or other work on the spec is probably reserved for a new X-pac. And we'll have to stick it out regardless.

    /end rant.

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    You don't have to take it as is, but complaining about it AND giving feedback about it hasn't worked the entire expansion, what makes you think they'll start giving a damn now?
    The class is in this state, take it or leave it. I enjoy it, does ti suck on DPS? Well yes, yes it does, but I still enjoy it.

    If you want to be bleeding edge raiding, you'll play whats best yourself. If not, you'll play what you enjoy.

    You're right, these posts can make you angry, but it doesn't change the fact that blizzard doesn't give a shit about the spec, and if that is the case then they give even less of a shit about our opinions. I don't mean to be rude, but that's a fact.

    1 Year of feedback now, all they keep doing is tweaking Chain Lighting UP, Earthquake DOWN or vice versa. They just don't give a shit about our ST and that is how the class is, take it or leave it, sadly

  16. #56
    So let's get some things straight here, shall we.
    This is a topic about Ele's performance in a PvE environment. The question posed in this topic is asking for opinions on its performance in that environment.
    Who exactly is in the wrong posting here - people who rationally voice their opinions, or those who dismiss any arguments with a simple "the spec is as it is - take it or leave it" statement?
    A defeatist attitude has never solved any problems or answered any questions, because in its nature, that attitude dismisses any coherent discussion on the matter.

    So people like the above poster, do everyone else wishing to stay on topic a huge favour - keep your meaningless, subjective drivel to yourselves. Thanks.

  17. #57
    People who still play elemental play it because they are

    1. stubborn: they suck it up and will play it always in good and bad days.
    2. casuals: dont care much about the performance but find it a fun spec to play
    3. people who suffer from the beaten housewife syndrome: they dont leave their spec because they think one day blizz will come to their senses while nothing changed since forever (or in this case WoD).

    My advise: play elemental if you belong in 1 or 2, being 3 is just sad.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by woopytywoop View Post
    People who still play elemental play it because they are

    1. stubborn: they suck it up and will play it always in good and bad days.
    2. casuals: dont care much about the performance but find it a fun spec to play
    3. people who suffer from the beaten housewife syndrome: they dont leave their spec because they think one day blizz will come to their senses while nothing changed since forever (or in this case WoD).

    My advise: play elemental if you belong in 1 or 2, being 3 is just sad.
    VERY VERY stubborn. Been Ele since vanilla and I'll never give it up. Plus I'm very good at it.

    But yeah I agree with those points for sure.

  19. #59
    So is it looking better in 7.3? Or its still pretty much the same situation?

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    Basically the same
    6% buff to spells: So we'll be bottom half ST instead of dead last (maybe we'll be better ST with the next tier bonus, we'll see)
    EQ buff and CL nerf: afaik we will still CL spam for AOE so it's just a sustained AOE nerf
    SK redesign: Actually somewhat good, more predictable burst AOE but no more SO on normal CL's means burst AOE potential (if you were really really lucky) is down and sustained AOE is down. Also, CL on ST lol

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