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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Fummockelchen View Post
    No if everyone is a nobody there are ZERO special chars.
    GET OVER IT you ARE a HERO. and thats YOU alone.
    its just another damn *"cry, scream" everyone gets a legendary cape now I am not SPECIAL anymore*.....
    Lol what are you talking about? The special characters would be the canon lore heroes. We ARE NOT CANON. Hctaz the level 110 Death Knight is not a real fucking thing in the Warcraft universe. The characters like Thrall, Jaina, Arthas, Tirion... those are the people who aren't nobodies. THOSE are the people who are supposed to be somebody.

  2. #102
    The problem I have with it is that it just doesn't make sense in lore and for any form of roleplaying (not even talking about roleplay that happens on RP servers, but just as general immersion).


    I'm pretty sure that lorewise the lich king was defeated by the alliance, not the horde, same for other bosses. Yet, my freshly dinged 110 blood elf paladin her achievments were only:

    Killing Dar'khan
    Killing some syndicate guys
    Killing Alliance in andorhal
    Helping a caravan and some paladins
    Killing Cultists
    Some outland stuff (which I shouldn't even be acknowledged for since I was fighting against Illidan which now appears makes me a bad person.)
    Killing Trolls in Zul'drak
    Killing Vrykul in Icecrown
    Killing nage in vash'jir
    Helping Pandaren

    Then somehow I'm the leader of an army. The only thing I did as the great and awesome leader was pick up treasures.

    Because I'm the greatest treasure gatherer in the world, all the paladins decided that I should pick up the Ashbringer, from my pal Uther, whom I only met once.


    An other problem with this whole power creep is, where the fuck does it end? How does it get explained in the lore without retconning shit load of stuff? Why isn't Kadghar leader of the mages and other such heroes, or are we stronger than them as well?


    They should never have made it in-game canon that every player was at every battle. It should have stayed as a gameplay mechanic and the player should just have been given credit without giving specifics. It's basically pissing all over the lore while we don't actually exist in the world since a book wouldn't even mention us. Next book with someone like Kadghar, Kadghar won't even remember that guy that ran all over the broken shore and argus killing thousands of demons and slaying Kil'jaeden while also freeing the Titans and being mr. Superfuckingawesomepants.

    As someone that enjoys the lore, I have to ignore 90% of what happens cause in the end the player won't matter in the lore anyway.

    If we were "nobodies" again, people that want to be some sort of champion can still imagine they are. How it is now people that want to be nobodies can't as long as they can read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darktbs View Post
    So many people that can't separate Lore from gameplay.
    It is blizzard that can't seperate Lore from Gameplay in this case.



    Tldr: Player power creep ruins lore. You won't even matter in the lore and in the end is just blizzard telling people they are too stupid to think for themselves of what they are in the World of Warcraft (Adventurer/Mercenary/Hero/Soldier#34059) as was possible in the past.
    Last edited by Korthraxw; 2017-08-13 at 01:40 AM.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanablossom View Post
    Certainly feels like it was!
    Got to keep on upping those power levels for absolutely no reason other than feeding the grandeur.

    To each their own, I do understand that power sells quite well with most people.
    As oppose to farming xxxx boss for a new weapon to drop to up those power levels for absolutely no reason other than feeding the grandeur.

    Your arguement is rather flawed tbh.


    Every new expansions stuff is "special" and powerful in that content. Artifact weapon are not new in that respect. Just rather than farm new weapons each tier you upgrade a single weapon for the expansion.

    You could make en green and call em uncommon weapons, they'd still be the same lol
    Science has made us gods even before we are worthy of being men: Jean Rostand. Yeah, Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour!.
    Classic: "The tank is the driver, the healer is the fuel, and the DPS are the kids sitting in the back seat screaming and asking if they're there yet."
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  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Shakari View Post
    As oppose to farming xxxx boss for a new weapon to drop to up those power levels for absolutely no reason other than feeding the grandeur.

    Your arguement is rather flawed tbh.


    Every new expansions stuff is "special" and powerful in that content. Artifact weapon are not new in that respect. Just rather than farm new weapons each tier you upgrade a single weapon for the expansion.

    You could make en green and call em uncommon weapons, they'd still be the same lol


    This has nothing to do with the artifact weapons but about the impact of the player on the lore and our power levels in the lore. If we would just have found these artifact weapons without being the chosen one, there would be a lot less problems.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Korthraxw View Post
    This has nothing to do with the artifact weapons but about the impact of the player on the lore and our power levels in the lore. If we would just have found these artifact weapons without being the chosen one, there would be a lot less problems.
    The Player impact in the game's lore will always be the same, the stories will always talk about "a champion" or "champions", i wouldn't be surprise if later blizzard make Npcs that represent the Order halls leaders since they did that with itens like, Quel'delar, Ateish, Ashbringer, Thunderfury and boss kills, Varian Killing Onyxia.

  6. #106
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    What the player achieves in game is often either up for interpretation or flat out ret conned. Even then we are alluded to that we have accomplished great tasks and defeated powerful foes to the extent that NPCs recognise our feats yet we are either far more experienced than the NPC themselves and are treated as a grunt, or we are given orders to which ultimately surpass the original NPC.

    The story around our own characters and how we integrate with the world is so jarring and disjointed now. I completed the intro quest to the Hunter class hall and felt totally bewildered. The Paladin and Warlock class halls are just as bad. So many lore characters, and WE are so far surpassed them that it feels as if most if not most NPCs in game now are pointless as we are the chosen ones. Where do we go from there?

    Most races currently need an influx of new lore characters, yet we are stifling that and taking the very spots new NPCs should have.

    I don’t mind being a great warrior or warlock, I just don’t find being THE great warrior or warlock compelling or intriguing.

  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    From nobody looks for coke addicts to Nerevarine.

    You think you are celebrated now. Haha
    Wajt till next expansion when npcs will know you rescjed titans dismantle the legion. Killed 2 full titans. And sealed sargeras. You will have TMZ following you in azeroth
    Actually, you kill 1 FULL ON Titan. Aggramar isn't at his full form when you fight him. He's basically Odyn tier in terms of power, at that state. However, Argus is said to be the Unmaker of Creation himself, so...that's going to be a trip. Am I right? Also, TMZ? Rlly dude?

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    Yet we can open a farm in Half Hill and escape our fame

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    Quote Originally Posted by The One Percent View Post
    What exactly is with the fetish with being a nobody?
    Not everyone wants to surpass Med'an levels of mary sue.

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