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  1. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by BeerWolf View Post
    If you're a collector Legion is the worst expansion ever...
    Or a raider. It sucks to be a raider right now.

    So being a collector it sucks.

    Being a raider it sucks.

    Who is it good for? People who enjoy mission tables and Diablo 3's loot system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    How dare people say they enjoy something you don't!

    Yeah I think some of Legions systems are garbage but at the end of the day that is my opinion.
    I mean it's an opinion shared with multiple people for various reasons. It isn't just you.

    Plus who's to say the people telling Blizzard Legion is good aren't people who joined the game in MoP and experienced WoD last expansion? I mean I skipped out on WoD and I think this expansion is utter shit for raiders. I heard WoD was a lot better for raiders. Sounds to me like I'd be complaining Legion isn't as good as WoD. Maybe the problem is that they swung the pendulum too far again. Raiding was the only thing good in WoD so they put a bunch of stuff in the game so people could have endless grinds which ended up making raiding suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hctaz View Post
    Or a raider. It sucks to be a raider right now.

    So being a collector it sucks.

    Being a raider it sucks.

    Who is it good for? People who enjoy mission tables and Diablo 3's loot system?

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    I mean it's an opinion shared with multiple people for various reasons. It isn't just you.

    Plus who's to say the people telling Blizzard Legion is good aren't people who joined the game in MoP and experienced WoD last expansion? I mean I skipped out on WoD and I think this expansion is utter shit for raiders. I heard WoD was a lot better for raiders. Sounds to me like I'd be complaining Legion isn't as good as WoD. Maybe the problem is that they swung the pendulum too far again. Raiding was the only thing good in WoD so they put a bunch of stuff in the game so people could have endless grinds which ended up making raiding suck.
    And I agree. However Blizzard should listen to all forms of opinions. From both sides. There are people enjoying and disliking Legion and Blizzard should be getting all of their opinions on the matter.
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  3. #323
    WoTLK was great
    Cata was cool
    MoP was greod (mix)
    WoD gameplay wise sucked, but holy moly quacomolie did I make a shit ton of gold on the Garrison.
    Legion is all around fun. I enjoyed the past expansions gameplay, just Legion introduced so much more. Mythic+, AP farming, WQ, I actually enjoy PvP now. I was never into it, and always got my ass handed to me as for I had no PvP gear, but now I love going into random BG's. So much to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukario View Post
    Class design worries me...very much, although i can't imagine it getting much worse than it already is.

    As they say...when you are at the bottom you can't really go anywhere but up.
    Why are people repeating this? I think the classes are the best they've ever been right now.

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    Well looking back Cata only sucked because they focused on the wrong content. WoD was horrible, but it can be assumed that was because they had all their focus on Legion.
    It seems to be the case too, as they seem to have every single patch planned out to the day (all being 77 days apart.)

    I think 8.0 will be much better than WoD or Cata, but really expect some HUGE shift yet again. Might be the removal of Mythic+, a massive change to gearing, or something else.

    That is what I fear the most, because right now I look at Legion as 99 percent of a perfect expansion.

    Any systems that change in 8.0 will likely not be for the immediate good in my eyes.

    But as an aside I look at Wrath as one of the worst expansions, and certainly my least favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbugged View Post
    Why are people repeating this? I think the classes are the best they've ever been right now.
    They are the most balanced they have ever been, but people don't like the way they play.
    Which amuses me, because these are people who are mostly casuals so they have no reason to be worried about this sort of thing.

    For me, the classes I play are at a peak in both fun and engagement. The ones I don't like, I don't play. No different from previous expansions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    And I agree. However Blizzard should listen to all forms of opinions. From both sides. There are people enjoying and disliking Legion and Blizzard should be getting all of their opinions on the matter.
    They do, but the problem is the people who dislike it have no real reasons and the things they want changed are very wild and trans formative changes.

    This guy talking about it sucking to be a raider is a great example. Its objectively the BEST time to be a raider EVER, as you can ALWAYS get an upgrade from any single boss and the out-of-raid progression systems give you a way to improve your success without having to raid 5 days a week.

    He probably DISLIKES these things, and there is no reason to do so.
    Yet Blizzard will listen to him and strip things like titanforging and mythic+ from the game because they listen to people who complain instead of those who are happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffeh View Post
    I'm dreading it in that Legion is shit, but a lot of people are telling Blizz it's a good expansion, and the devs might get the wrong idea that they're on the right track. And so the next one will be even worse as they embrace failing game design.
    Legion is objectively the most expansive expansion ever. They are on the right track, no opinions involved.

    If you don't like it that's fine but if you think the whole expansion is bad because you don't like something in it then its time for you to go away and leave this conversation to people who actually play this game.
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  6. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by NoobistTV-Metro View Post
    Legion is objectively the most expansive expansion ever. They are on the right track, no opinions involved.

    If you don't like it that's fine but if you think the whole expansion is bad because you don't like something in it then its time for you to go away and leave this conversation to people who actually play this game.
    Objectively the most expansive? Really? The smallest expansion world. World quests are leveling quests scaled to max level. Broken Shore was a disaster. Pvp is unplayable. Raids might be okay if that's your thing. But rng even ruins that.

    What is good about Legion? Seriously.

    Edit - Actually, just noticed in your post you said Wrath was the worst expansion. I really don't care to hear what you have to say about anything given that. So don't bother responding.
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  7. #327
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    And I agree. However Blizzard should listen to all forms of opinions. From both sides. There are people enjoying and disliking Legion and Blizzard should be getting all of their opinions on the matter.
    I mean I can agree with that to some extent but I simply don't think Blizzard should cater to each and every single view point. If, say, 20% of the playerbase really enjoys titanforging I think they should still alter it for those who don't.
    Like I've seen a lot of testaments from people who enjoy the current titanforge system who only raid LFR. I understand it's fun for some people to have a Diablo 3 loot pinata style, but that isn't what raiding is about. Or at least it wasn't. It was about downing bosses to get the gear they dropped, not the gear within a massive range of quality. Now, what purpose does somebody who only does LFR and world quests have for a piece of 955 gear that they obtained from LFR? Even still, what purpose does a Mythic raider have with a 955 piece of gear when the raid drops 930s? Are we not supposed to be able to clear the raid in 930 gear? And because Blizzard expects us to be better geared than the baseline item level that the raid drops, they tune the bosses around having more than 930 item level which is simply not how a raid should be designed. No content should actually require you to overgear it's base drops in order to succeed.

    Sadly, I think Blizzard is going to end up keeping the system as is simply because they would rather keep those hamsters running on the wheel than try to keep the mythic raiders playing the game. That means I'll inevitably quit when I get tired of grinding dungeons for loot.

    I really miss the days of Wrath-MoP. At least when the excitement was limited to 5 item levels, it wasn't so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobistTV-Metro View Post
    They do, but the problem is the people who dislike it have no real reasons and the things they want changed are very wild and trans formative changes.

    This guy talking about it sucking to be a raider is a great example. Its objectively the BEST time to be a raider EVER, as you can ALWAYS get an upgrade from any single boss and the out-of-raid progression systems give you a way to improve your success without having to raid 5 days a week.

    He probably DISLIKES these things, and there is no reason to do so.
    Yet Blizzard will listen to him and strip things like titanforging and mythic+ from the game because they listen to people who complain instead of those who are happy.
    It isn't the best time to be a raider at all. I have a reason to dislike titanforging. It's because that along with the mythic plus system gives the incentive to farm 24/7. Raiding in World of Warcraft used to be about showing up for your raid nights, clearing what you could, and getting whatever loot that dropped. That's all it was about. It was entirely self contained and you only needed to do the highest difficulty you could. Even when they opened up the loot lockouts to allow you to clear both heroic and normal in the same week, it wasn't as bad as it is now. Sure, you would clear both and do split runs and stuff, but as soon as those difficulties could no longer drop you any loot, you would stop. Even mythic (old heroic) would get to the point where you no longer needed any loot upgrades and would just keep extending the lockouts until you won. Now, heroic can ALWAYS drop an upgrade. You should ALWAYS be clearing heroic and reclearing mythic. That isn't fun. It isn't fun to keep clearing the same shit over and over again. Imagine trying to play Dark Souls but every week you had to restart the entire game but kept the loot you earned. It wouldn't be fun anymore.

    Raiding wasn't about overgearing the content, it was about showing up, killing what you could, and progressing slowly. This whole "burn yourself out farming gear so you can overgear the entire instance the first week it's out" thing is just.. god awful. Worst expansion for a raider. The fun part is killing new bosses. When you can always get a 20 item level upgrade, it becomes less about killing the bosses and more about grinding the gear to overgear the bosses so you can kill them easier when you could have just gotten better and succeeded based on your skill alone.

  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    How dare people say they enjoy something you don't!

    Yeah I think some of Legions systems are garbage but at the end of the day that is my opinion.
    Instead of saying "Legion is great" or "Legion is shit" people should say

    I enjoy World Quests and the Artifact Power system because I always have something to do.

    or

    I hate World Quests and the Artifact Power system because I don't feel like I can ever be finished

    It's not helpful to say that you love or hate all of an expansion, say what you like or hate and why instead.

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