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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Lathais View Post
    So little better in fact, that unless you are staring at an FPS meter, you are not gonna see the difference.
    Still take exception to this. Different people see different framerate drops differently.

    I can tell the moment it isn't 60fps. If i was playing with normal Vsync on, it would be maddening - the jump from 60 to 30 would make me tear my hair out. I play with adaptive Vsync (not Gsync, but nVidias implementation at the driver) where it caps the FPS at your monitor's refresh rate but doesn't cause it to drop immediately to 45/30 when it cant maintain the max, and i notice IMMEDIATELY if it drops even to 55fps or so. Its annoying as all hell. (Gsync monitor is in the cards when there is money for it).

    Other people cant even tell the difference between 30 and 60fps at all.... so, your mileage may vary.

    In addition to that, you realize the pentium can not be OCed, but the Ryzens can. An R3 1200 OCed to 3.7 actually benchmarks better on single core performance than the Pentium G4560.
    Correct, but when we're talking budget building, the Pentium is still a far better deal even than the R3 1200. You can usually walk out the door with a G4560 or G4600 (some places actually have the G4600 available cheaper because of the run on the G4560) AND the motherboard for the price of the R3 alone.

    Now, if you've got the extra ~40-60$ of budget to afford the Ryzen... get the Ryzen. It's better in every way than anything Intel offers right up until the i5-K chip and WAY cheaper.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by DonGenaro View Post
    I have no experience of running wow on both platforms in the last 6-7 years, and cannot provide reliable metrics for both Ryzen and pentium/i3/i5 in wow. Due to this I remain quiet, as who cares about opinions

    In short, if people feel so vociferously about this, provide some facts, not endless lip beating.
    Honestly, in the absence of benchmarks, people should just assume that Intel is better for Legion in a CPU limited area, due to the higher IPC. I'd love to see a legit bench comparing the two cpus in WoW though. There just aren't any WoW benchmarks for Ryzen that I can find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenfoldor View Post
    Honestly, in the absence of benchmarks, people should just assume that Intel is better for Legion in a CPU limited area, due to the higher IPC. I'd love to see a legit bench comparing the two cpus in WoW though. There just aren't any WoW benchmarks for Ryzen that I can find.
    There are plenty.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sIF6toVPko

    is just one I found in 2 seconds.

    Saying Ryzen is shit for wow is wrong, you Intels fans kill me. Also saying AMDs video cards are crap at it is comical as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moremana View Post
    There are plenty.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sIF6toVPko

    is just one I found in 2 seconds.

    Saying Ryzen is shit for wow is wrong, you Intels fans kill me. Also saying AMDs video cards are crap at it is comical as well.
    He said he was only playing WoW. That video you linked proves that old CPUs (4690K) and much slower CPUs (Pentium) are just as good as a Ryzen, for a fraction of the cost.

    AMD shills amuse me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfilade View Post
    He said he was only playing WoW. That video you linked proves that old CPUs (4690K) and much slower CPUs (Pentium) are just as good as a Ryzen, for a fraction of the cost.

    AMD shills amuse me.
    Your funny and have no clue what I use...so dont call someone a shill unless you know. I myself prefer and use mainly Intel. That doesnt mean everyone should follow.

    Back to your comment.

    No one said ....again...that .... Ryzen was better.

    You are good at putting words in peoples mouth...and by the way, welcome to the computer forums.
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  6. #66
    I am starting to lean towards putting my stationary PC up again, just started playing WoW a bit and doing it on my Macbook pro 2017 right now (works fine, high fps and no lag, but graphic settings are... low ).

    Anyways, where do you see generally today what's needed for wow? I know you can run it on a old toaster, but i have a high-res monitor and I want everything on absolute max possible and dont want to care about throwing addons and whatever on it.

    Monitor is 34" and can run resolution 3440 x 1440.

    Where would you put a "minimum" to have a very stable, high FPS? In order for it to survive 1+ years without getting drops for w/e reason.
    The only thing I am sure of is SSD and tons of RAM as I have it available through work, 32GB ram and 3-4 SSDs is no issue, but CPU and GFX I need to buy, not sure where to put the "minimum" level for a "maximum" setting, since I only care about WOW

  7. #67
    Don't use a Ryzen on WoW. Use a 7700k. Higher clocks is what WoW needs, it doesn't use more cores.

    I'd replace my 1800x with a 7700k if I could. Maybe next expansion they'll optimize their engines to use more, but I honestly doubt it. Game and engine are too old, even if they say they update it bit by bit every expansion. Heck, most games can't use that many cores.

    Rest of your build items are w/e except make sure to get an SSD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xinkir View Post
    Don't use a Ryzen on WoW. Use a 7700k. Higher clocks is what WoW needs, it doesn't use more cores.

    I'd replace my 1800x with a 7700k if I could. Maybe next expansion they'll optimize their engines to use more, but I honestly doubt it. Game and engine are too old, even if they say they update it bit by bit every expansion. Heck, most games can't use that many cores.

    Rest of your build items are w/e except make sure to get an SSD.
    Finally, someone reasonable who isn't trying to justify their Ryzen purchase. Thank you for offering your two cents here.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Xinkir View Post
    Don't use a Ryzen on WoW. Use a 7700k. Higher clocks is what WoW needs, it doesn't use more cores.

    I'd replace my 1800x with a 7700k if I could. Maybe next expansion they'll optimize their engines to use more, but I honestly doubt it. Game and engine are too old, even if they say they update it bit by bit every expansion. Heck, most games can't use that many cores.

    Rest of your build items are w/e except make sure to get an SSD.
    FFS, people.

    It has nothing to do with the age of the engine.

    You cant just magically multi-thread everything. Some things MUST be processed serially.

    Just the way the world works.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Xinkir View Post
    Don't use a Ryzen on WoW. Use a 7700k. Higher clocks is what WoW needs, it doesn't use more cores.

    I'd replace my 1800x with a 7700k if I could. Maybe next expansion they'll optimize their engines to use more, but I honestly doubt it. Game and engine are too old, even if they say they update it bit by bit every expansion. Heck, most games can't use that many cores.

    Rest of your build items are w/e except make sure to get an SSD.
    Higher clocks is not necessarily what WoW needs. Nor is it IPC. It's kinda both but really neither. What WoW needs is single core performance. Single core performance is a a combination of IPC and Clock Speed. If there was a CPU out there with really great IPC but low clock speeds, the IPC would make up for the clocks and vice versa, so WoW is not really dependent on either individually but a combination of both.

    That said, Ryzen is about on par with Haswell for IPC and on average can reach about the stock clocks of my CPU. Are you telling me that a 4690K at stock is significantly behind a 7700K? I mean sure, it's behind it, but not by as much as people want to make it out to be.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Ametaphysics View Post
    Hi, I'm starting to play WoW again and will need a desktop. Please vote and tell why you choose the build you choosed.

    Budget

    CPU: i3 7100
    GPU: GeForce GTX 1050 2 GB
    MOBO: Intel B250
    DDR4: DDR4, 8GB, 2400Mhz
    HDD: 1 TB
    PSU: Lenovo
    Case: Lenovo Minitower

    Total cost: 550 $

    Mid Range build

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
    GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 Windforce 2X OC 3 GB
    MOBO: Asus Prime B350-Plus
    DDR4: Corsair Vengeance LPX Black, DDR4, PC21300/2666MHz, CL16 8GB
    HDD: WD Blue WD10EZEX 64MB 1TB
    PSU: Seasonic S12II-620Bronze 620W
    Case: Cooler Master MasterBox 5

    Total cost: 750 $

    Upper-Mid Range Build

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X
    GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 Windforce 2X OC 3 GB
    MOBO: GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI
    DDR4: Corsair Vengeance LPX Black, DDR4, PC21300/2666MHz, CL16 8GB
    SSD: Samsung 960 EVO Series 250GB
    GPU-Cooler: Noctua NH-L9x65 SE-AM4
    PSU: Seasonic Prime Gold 650W
    Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M
    This build is aimed at being upgraded in the future, thus money spent on expensive high quality parts, such as the PSU and Case

    Total cost: 1200 $
    Please avoid buying AMD whether it's the CPU or the GPU. I was just answering a thread before this one where the OP was asking why he had lost so much performance in WoW (And only in WoW). He had upgraded from previous hardware that was Intel to a Ryzen CPU. I'm not a fanboy of any company and AMD works great for the price. As long as you don't plan to play WoW. Just my two cents :]

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Slyxus View Post
    Please avoid buying AMD whether it's the CPU or the GPU. I was just answering a thread before this one where the OP was asking why he had lost so much performance in WoW (And only in WoW). He had upgraded from previous hardware that was Intel to a Ryzen CPU. I'm not a fanboy of any company and AMD works great for the price. As long as you don't plan to play WoW. Just my two cents :]
    Seeing as he is not upgrading from anything, just building a new desktop, it won't cause him a loss in performance.

    Also, the new Ryzens have an IPC that is pretty much the same as Haswell. Since with an OC you can easily reach Haswell Stock clocks, that means they'll perform pretty identically to my system at stock speeds, which I assure you is more than enough to handle WoW comfortably. Yeah, like ANY PC, I'll have dips in raids and certain other crowded areas. Outside of those situations, I will easily stay above 60 FPS without worries.

    As for the GPUs. Yeah, they'll perform worse than their Nvidia counterparts, however, it doesn't take much to max out WoW. Just about any current AMD GPU would not have any issues with WoW.

    Yes, if we were not talking about Ryzen CPUs and we were a couple generations ago in GPUs you would be absolutely correct. It's just not the case anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lathais View Post
    Seeing as he is not upgrading from anything, just building a new desktop, it won't cause him a loss in performance.

    Also, the new Ryzens have an IPC that is pretty much the same as Haswell. Since with an OC you can easily reach Haswell Stock clocks, that means they'll perform pretty identically to my system at stock speeds, which I assure you is more than enough to handle WoW comfortably. Yeah, like ANY PC, I'll have dips in raids and certain other crowded areas. Outside of those situations, I will easily stay above 60 FPS without worries.

    As for the GPUs. Yeah, they'll perform worse than their Nvidia counterparts, however, it doesn't take much to max out WoW. Just about any current AMD GPU would not have any issues with WoW.

    Yes, if we were not talking about Ryzen CPUs and we were a couple generations ago in GPUs you would be absolutely correct. It's just not the case anymore.
    Wow, Ryzen has almost the same IPC as an Intel chip from over 4 years ago? Mind-blowing! Like I've stated numerous times before, he could've built around a Pentium which would have saved him a lot of money, and had better performance.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Slyxus View Post
    Please avoid buying AMD whether it's the CPU or the GPU. I was just answering a thread before this one where the OP was asking why he had lost so much performance in WoW (And only in WoW). He had upgraded from previous hardware that was Intel to a Ryzen CPU. I'm not a fanboy of any company and AMD works great for the price. As long as you don't plan to play WoW. Just my two cents :]
    Said person was also talking out of his behind, too, claiming he got 120fps in raids with a 3770K.

    The performance difference is NOT that severe, and will really only impact minimums. So, instead of low-50s/high-40s on an OCed 7700K, an OCed Ryzen at ~3.8hz might drop to the low-40s. Still 100% playable. Both will still deliver 60+gps in all but e most CPU bound situations.

    Look, i like Intel, and my new RGB Bling build coming up will almost assuredly feature a Coffee Lake i5-K.... but only because the ONLY thing I do on my PC is game. If i used it for any work or even daily driving, id be buying a Ryzen 5 hexcore or Ryzen 7...

    Intel is losing the price/performance war hands down right now. Yeah, an OCed i5 or i7 will perform better... but it will also cost almost twice as much as the equivalent Ryzen part... and the performance isn't going to be massively different. Both will still produce framerates in all but the MOST Single-core dependent games well above 60fps paired wiha good GPU...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfilade View Post
    Wow, Ryzen has almost the same IPC as an Intel chip from over 4 years ago? Mind-blowing! Like I've stated numerous times before, he could've built around a Pentium which would have saved him a lot of money, and had better performance.
    Youre acting like theres a huge IPC difference between Haswell and Kaby Lake. There isnt. About 6-10%, at most. In a lot of games... that might be 2-3 fps difference. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    Intel is losing the price/performance war hands down right now. Yeah, an OCed i5 or i7 will perform better... but it will also cost almost twice as much as the equivalent Ryzen part... and the performance isn't going to be massively different. Both will still produce framerates in all but the MOST Single-core dependent games well above 60fps paired wiha good GPU...
    That'll all change in the next couple months if this is even remotely true:

    http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lak...nchmarks-leak/

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