"Alt Right" activist asks for Lenin Statue to be removed

[draynay]

But yeah, pull down a Lenin statue on someone's private property. I'm sure the left will be inconsolable lol.

I'll have to cancel my pilgrimage to Seattle to visit Lenin.

[Livnthedream]

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Ah, false equivalence, the one and only tool in your toolbox.

I didn't make an argument. Those in the article did. Funnily enough, the people in the article are using the same arguments to defend this statue staying up. Awesome how that works huh?

Further, do you have an argument other than "I'm offended!"?

[Felya]

I'll have to cancel my pilgrimage to Seattle to visit Lenin.

You can still visit his displayed corpse in red square,..

[Mormolyce]

I didn't make an argument. Those in the article did. Funnily enough, the people in the article are using the same arguments to defend this statue staying up. Awesome how that works huh?

Further, do you have an argument other than "I'm offended!"?

Where did I say that?

Given how hard you're trying to spin this, you're the one coming off offended sweet cheeks

[Livnthedream]

Where did I say that?

Where you asserted repeatedly that the only possible meaning in the Confederate statues was evil but this one is perfectly fine and dandy because [reasons].

Given how hard you're trying to spin this, you're the one coming off offended sweet cheeks

"No U!" is a 1st grader argument. Try harder.

[elaina]

True Conservatives don't use the socialist government created Internet! They only use pay as you go private services like AOL.

This made me laugh way too hard.

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You can still visit his displayed corpse in red square,..

Holy shit I forgot that was a thing.

[Deleted]

What kind of strawman nonsense is this? People are asking to remove statues celebrating the racist losers of a Civil War. Remember those are traitors who rebelled and lost.

Can we star to tear down Washington statues to? Washington was a racist slave owner and a traitor who rebelled.....

[Edge-]

Can we star to tear down Washington statues to? Washington was a racist slave owner and a traitor who rebelled.....

Are we seriously doing this beyond intellectually dishonest nonsense? That Washington and Lee are literally no different?

Since we use winners and losers in history as our measure or right and wrong in most instances (see - most major wars etc., especially in recent centuries), do you want to remind me which of those two generals won their rebellion, and which of those two lost their rebellion?

[Deleted]

Are we seriously doing this beyond intellectually dishonest nonsense? That Washington and Lee are literally no different?

You tell me, your argument was it was right to destroy the staty becuse it depicted racist traitors who rebelled?

Since we use winners and losers in history as our measure or right and wrong in most instances

That is a totaly different argument, It's right to tear down losers statues? Do you suport the tear down all statues of losers?

Personaly I do not care about if there are a confederation soldier statue or not. I am more intresting in the philosophical question and the hypocritical of all this...If we take it to the extream, there can be no statue that predate universal suffrage, becuse them represents dictatorship.

[Venant]

Are we seriously doing this beyond intellectually dishonest nonsense? That Washington and Lee are literally no different?

Since we use winners and losers in history as our measure or right and wrong in most instances (see - most major wars etc., especially in recent centuries), do you want to remind me which of those two generals won their rebellion, and which of those two lost their rebellion?

Isn't whats right and wrong completely subjective?

[Deleted]

Are we seriously doing this beyond intellectually dishonest nonsense? That Washington and Lee are literally no different?

Since we use winners and losers in history as our measure or right and wrong in most instances (see - most major wars etc., especially in recent centuries), do you want to remind me which of those two generals won their rebellion, and which of those two lost their rebellion?

Well Washington preserved Slavery just as much as Lee - The UK banned Slavery in 1812 IRC.

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What kind of strawman nonsense is this? People are asking to remove statues celebrating the racist losers of a Civil War. Remember those are traitors who rebelled and lost.

In matter's of Right and Wrong - Does it matter who loses?
Would the Nazi's be Right, If they won the war?
No, they wouldn't, they would still be mass murderers.

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Having family that fought doesn't, hence why nobody is angry with or condemning the descendants of Confederate generals nowadays, especially as they're speaking out publicly. Being blamed for your ancestors sins is stupid.

But wanting to celebrate those Confederates for their behavior as Confederates, definitely raises issues. And that's what's going on now. I still can't think of another developed nation in which the losing side of a civil war is still glorified as heroes well over a century after they lost.

Heard of Guy Fawkes?

[Noradin]

"Government private property" doesn't exist. Government property is by definition public.

Yes, "public" is ambiguous like that, but that is English to you, no differentiating between "property of the public as a whole" and "open to the general public".

[Chrysia]

Heard of Guy Fawkes?

Guy Fawkes' Day doesn't celebrate Guy Fawkes. He's a hero to anarchists.

[Kraenen]

If you support the precursor to Soviet Communism you're a traitor to the US.

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Isn't whats right and wrong completely subjective?

It's all relative except for the stuff we think is really evil, like Nazis. Communism was just a different way of life, and the hatred against it only comes from Nazi propaganda.

[Chrysia]

If you support the precursor to Soviet Communism you're a traitor to the US.

Who is supporting Lenin, here, or Stalinism?

[Kraenen]

Who is supporting Lenin, here, or Stalinism?

Anyone who supports having the statue up, private property or not.

[Chrysia]

Anyone who supports having the statue up, private property or not.

Supporting the private rights of citizens is equivalent to Stalinism now? What the actual fuck?

[Felya]

Anyone who supports having the statue up, private property or not.

They jeer it and ride around it naked... it's there to mock, not celebrate...

[Yarathir]

Don't care about the statue, but I do find it ironic that the greatest argument for keeping it is the fact that it is private property. Poetic, really.

[Mormolyce]

Where you asserted repeatedly that the only possible meaning in the Confederate statues was evil but this one is perfectly fine and dandy because [reasons].

And I said that where?

Perhaps in your imagination that consists largely of projection?

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Anyone who supports having the statue up, private property or not.

Isn't defending private property pretty much the opposite of Leninism and Stalinism?

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Well Washington preserved Slavery just as much as Lee - The UK banned Slavery in 1812 IRC.

You have a pretty sharp memory for someone who's over 205 years old.