Lessons in Navigating Rape Culture with Mandi Gray

[niil945]

Apparently not. What they describe in the piece is not rape culture. Nice appeal to authority btw.

Appeal to Authority
argumentum ad verecundiam

(also known as: argument from authority, appeal to false authority, appeal to unqualified authority, argument from false authority, ipse dixit)

Description: Using an authority as evidence in your argument when the authority is not really an authority on the facts relevant to the argument. As the audience, allowing an irrelevant authority to add credibility to the claim being made.

So, how is this appeal to authority? They are actually experts on the topic. Is this where we throw claims of fallacies around to try to win an argument without actually even knowing what they are?

[Spicymemer]

Why do these threads keep getting posted on mmo-c?
most of the user base doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand these kinds of subject matter.

[Livnthedream]

Sure.

The invulnerable penis shield strikes again!

[Ahovv]

No It's a meme because people know it happens and know it's possible. That joke in the office wouldn't be funny if it didn't speak to real experiences people have had, that's how comedy works.

Oh and by the way just to stick the knife in a bit more, RAINN, that is the nation's largest anti-sexual assault organization, doesn't believe Rape Culture exists either.

http://time.com/30545/its-time-to-en...ture-hysteria/

So please tell me more about how you are right and the people who actually work with rape victims are wrong.

It's probably a waste of time responding to someone who openly supports Antifa in their profile pic.

[Deleted]

We don't live in a rape culture. We live in a "punish crime" culture.

[Deleted]

http://torontoist.com/2017/08/lesson...re-mandi-gray/




What do you make of this?
It's strange how she is able to get all of this coverage without showing any evidence.

For the record, she had gotten her alleged rapist found guilty by the criminal system in a he said she said case. However it got overturned by another judge in the appeal.

What effect will this video have on the current sexual assault climate at universities?

Have you seen mattress girl? She literally won some feminist award for lying about being raped. So brave.

[Faenskap]

This thread will go places.

[Sorshen]

Tenissace+Elba combo = mindfuck.

[Martymark]

I've personally seen 2 false rape accusations, but I've never seen a rape. Both accusations were from silly girls who were embarrassed about something and crying rape was the more socially acceptable option to them than facing consequences. One was against my gay best friend who was passed out in full view of 20 people when she wandered over and tried to ride him. The next day, she was telling everyone he'd raped her at the party.

[Collegeguy]

Slut or Nut is named after something criminal lawyer David Butt said in the film, that a rape victim is either painted as a slut or a nut.


Ururyar’s rape trial began February 1, 2016. Gray was on the stand for four days, while he was on it for half a day.

What exactly is the resolution here? Not to have cross examination in cases that involve women?

I mean it sucks to have your foundation shaken a little, but that's the point. One side is for you and the other is against you. Why complain about that?

The boys and girls that don't understand this need to go back to school.

[Mistame]

Apparently not. What they describe in the piece is not rape culture. Nice appeal to authority btw.

Sorry, but no. The terms "rape" and "culture" when combined mean "a group belief that rape is acceptable behavior". You don't get to take two words, combine them and then claim they mean something totally different. Not to mention that most of the things that fall under this supposed "rape culture" umbrella are themselves mostly subjective if not downright idiotic.

"Slut shaming" and "sexual objectification" have nothing to do with rape. The former existed long before this supposed "rape culture" and the latter is perfectly natural. Citing them as "indicative" of this made-up... "theory" is idiotic. "Victim blaming" has become just another way of saying, "Not ostracizing someone solely on the word of the accuser". And no rational person trivializes actual rapes or the harm caused by them. The problem is the belief that an accusation is proof of guilt. It isn't.

It's probably a waste of time responding to someone who openly supports Antifa in their profile pic.

Surprised he hasn't turned it into another race debate.

[Tennis]

And I hear females asking where all the good men are? The fuck away from silly cows like you, sweetheart.

I hear that line used all the time. What's up with that?

[Elba]

So, how is this appeal to authority? They are actually experts on the topic.

How can they be experts in rape culture if they don't understand what rape culture is?

Sorry, but no. The terms "rape" and "culture" when combined mean "a group belief that rape is acceptable behavior". You don't get to take two words, combine them and then claim they mean something totally different. Not to mention that most of the things that fall under this supposed "rape culture" umbrella are themselves mostly subjective if not downright idiotic.

So, you not only don't know what rape culture is, but also don't know how language works.

"Slut shaming" and "sexual objectification" have nothing to do with rape. The former existed long before this supposed "rape culture" and the latter is perfectly natural. Citing them as "indicative" of this made-up... "theory" is idiotic. "Victim blaming" has become just another way of saying, "Not ostracizing someone solely on the word of the accuser". And no rational person trivializes actual rapes or the harm caused by them. The problem is the belief that an accusation is proof of guilt. It isn't.

Actually, all these things are part of rape culture. Like @Boomzy I suggest you read up on the subject.

[niil945]

How can they be experts in rape culture if they don't understand what rape culture is?

Except they do, they talked about varying aspects of it at length in the linked article if you had bothered to read it. I get it, semantic games are something you use to dismiss arguments but you're clearly biased against the facts here. It would actually benefit them to confirm it exists, which just makes me accept their assessment even more. And in the end it doesn't matter. "Rape Culture" is entirely subjective. It gets used loosely and on broad terms. Exactly like "systemic racism" is used. Neither of them are anything more than perspectives and opinions. It is more akin to religion than anything objective.

[Deleted]

This elba guy

If you really are this in real life im really sorry for you

[Mistame]

So, you not only don't know what rape culture is, but also don't know how language works.

Actually, all these things are part of rape culture. Like @Boomzy I suggest you read up on the subject.

It's you and those who believe in this nonsense that don't know understand how language works. But let's use your logic, eh? I hereby declare that "rape" refers to bacon and "rape culture" refers to the love of bacon. Now, "rape culture" exists and "rape" is yummy. Sounds stupid, right?

The term "rape" has an existing meaning. As does "culture". When combined, it does not create a new meaning. It limits the meaning of the latter to the qualifiers of the former. And since both "sexual objectification" and "slut shaming" exist without the presence of rape, neither are qualifiers of "rape culture". In fact, the only reason you and these other half-wits make these claims is so you can apply this fallacious idea to people who "slut shame", "sexually objectify" women or even just give a person accused of rape the benefit of the doubt. But please, carry on. While it's certainly entertaining to point out that you've no clue what you're talking about, it's even more hilarious when you do it yourselves. But hey, at least you own your stupid, so there is that.

[Sliske]

She should make a film where she interviews men falsely accused of rape, and then finds the accuser and tries to get them to publicly apologise on camera.

Sort of like 'To Catch a Predator'

That would be a great show. It might even be a deterrent against would be false accusers, which seems to be more and more of a problem as 3rd wave feminism tightens its grip around media and discussions

[Elba]

It's you and those who believe in this nonsense that don't know understand how language works. But let's use your logic, eh? I hereby declare that "rape" refers to bacon and "rape culture" refers to the love of bacon. Now, "rape culture" exists and "rape" is yummy. Sounds stupid, right?

The term "rape" has an existing meaning. As does "culture". When combined, it does not create a new meaning. It limits the meaning of the latter to the qualifiers of the former. And since both "sexual objectification" and "slut shaming" exist without the presence of rape, neither are qualifiers of "rape culture". In fact, the only reason you and these other half-wits make these claims is so you can apply this fallacious idea to people who "slut shame", "sexually objectify" women or even just give a person accused of rape the benefit of the doubt. But please, carry on. While it's certainly entertaining to point out that you've no clue what you're talking about, it's even more hilarious when you do it yourselves. But hey, at least you own your stupid, so there is that.

Yup, you still have no idea what you are talking about. Again, educate yourself on the term. This will be my answer until you can prove you did.

[Mistame]

Yup, you still have no idea what you are talking about. Again, educate yourself on the term. This will be my answer until you can prove you did.

Actually, you (and those involved with "feminist theory" and "sociology") need the "education".

rape culture
A society or environment whose prevailing social attitudes have the effect of normalizing or trivializing sexual assault and abuse.

This is the actual definition from good ole Oxford. That you, some feminists or even "sociologists" want to adapt or change it to mean something more or different is irrelevant and invalid. Period.

Rape Culture
The literal definition would posit a culture that advocates and normalizes rape, which is blatantly not true of the Western world and why people obviously deny it (because it doesn't exist).

Feminism's redefinition though... sigh... is a sub-ideology that concerns the collective issues, cultural ingraining and disparagement of rape. Basically a pseudo-theory that society has been groomed by patriarchy to enable and excuse rape.

Despite numerous flaws and dogmatic principle, many feminists and SJWs are pushing it as unequivocal fact. Its flagship slogan is "Don't tell me what to wear, teach MEN not to rape!".

Said slogan also defies reason.

A few tenets of this twaddle include:
- dissent of rape culture is proof of rape culture
- questioning a rape accuser is victim blaming
- rape accusers never lie
- consent is black and white
- porn grooms men to rape
- trials that do not find a conviction are rape culture
- this urban dictionary definition is rape culture

This post covers it pretty well.

[Tennis]

Why do these threads keep getting posted on mmo-c?
most of the user base doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand these kinds of subject matter.

Why not? It's best to challenge the userbase.