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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfilade View Post
    Redragon Perdition would like to have a word with you.
    All that for only $35? What's the catch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    All that for only $35? What's the catch?
    None that I've seen. I always recommend these to people who want something like the Naga, or to replace a broken Naga (imagine that), and they tell me they like it even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    All that for only $35? What's the catch?
    No brand markup and selling close to cost price. All of those inevitably get more expensive when they become more popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    No brand markup and selling close to cost price. All of those inevitably get more expensive when they become more popular.
    Amazon reviews show lots of quality issues, especially with scrolling and main buttons. Seems to start having issues several months in.

    Unreliable.

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    Razer used to be great, but their quality control in recent years has been terrible. I've owned 5 razer mice, a keyboard and 2 headsets and only 2 of those items do I not regret buying (the first mouse and the 2nd headset because it was on clearance and has worked great so far).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Amazon reviews show lots of quality issues, especially with scrolling and main buttons. Seems to start having issues several months in.

    Unreliable.
    If you want reliable you'd have to pay $100 and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    If you want reliable you'd have to pay $100 and more.
    $45-60 Nagas on Amazon - no problem. Times change.

    IMO, 20 bucks more certainly worth not having bullshit issues a couple of months in. Now, I am not saying Razer is the pinnacle of reliability, but it is certainly better than some noname vendor with shit reviews. The real question here is not what you get out of the box, but how it fares after some time and the difference shows.

    Honestly, I believe Razer gets a bit of undeserved hate there, I use plenty of Razer stuff and the only one that gone to shit for me so far is their headset (and honestly I had Roccat headset too and damn, that one literally died horrible mechanical death 2 months in, so compared to that a year and a bit of Razer was amazing), the rest like keyboards, mouse, mic, mats are all solid couple years in for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    $45-60 Nagas on Amazon - no problem. Times change.
    Nagas on the exact same level of reliablity. This is not 2013. Razer is making the same shit as those noname vendors right now, the only difference is that you're paying a huge markup for the known brand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowstrike 1983 View Post
    I ditched my Naga for a Reddragon one for a third of the price and have never looked back.
    I did the exact same!, love reddragon mice. Never had an issue with mine and it has lasted way longer than any razer mouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    If you want reliable you'd have to pay $100 and more.
    That is not true, my reddragon mouse is less than half the price of the naga and it works a treat, very reliable!

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    I haven't heard of any issues with the Redragon mice I've recommended to people, and it's been years for some of them.

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    FWIW, ever Razer keyboard i have ever purchased is still going strong (Two 2012 BWUs, a 2014 BWU, BW:TE, and a BW:TE Chroma, and now an Ornata Chroma (though that isn't mechanical), despite some of them having been doused with water multiple times.

    Their mice, on the other hand - one of the guys i work with that puts on tournaments and provides hardware for tournaments and conventions has had about half the mice Razer gave him (for free/as sponsorship) fail, usually quite early on in their lives. Razer has replaced all of them for free as well, so, goodwill there, but the failure rate is rather high. All of the keyboards are still trucking, though - ~80 or so Black Widow (plain old Black Widows from 2013) boards. And they get abused at events for 72 hours at a go.

    Seems to be mostly a mouse issue.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Tegg View Post
    The Naga is the best designed MMO Mouse. Shame about the build quality. The prices also keep increasing...

    I am testing a Roccat Nyth right now and will post my review later.
    The Corsair Scimitar is good. I use the because it's the only one that has a wireless rechargeable model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfilade View Post
    Redragon Perdition would like to have a word with you.
    I've used the Redragon, Scimitar and Naga and you can really tell the difference vs the Redragon. It's a great mouse, especially for the price and the difference isn't great enough to make the Naga worth it.
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  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Morgaith View Post
    I've really enjoyed the razer products that i've had despite the mice breaking VERY frequently
    ... Why? That's like fucking stockholm syndrome. The only time this behavior is acceptable is if there's no alternative. The Razer Naga was the first MMO mouse (to my knowledge), and since using one, I require to always use one for gaming; back then I was sorta stuck with them as a result. I've since switched to the Logitech G600 though, which still tends to break but usually after a year or two (and it's got a 3 year warranty). MMO mice just have too much shit in them *shrug*.

    Razer is overhyped pieces of garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polarthief View Post
    ... Why? That's like fucking stockholm syndrome. The only time this behavior is acceptable is if there's no alternative. The Razer Naga was the first MMO mouse (to my knowledge), and since using one, I require to always use one for gaming; back then I was sorta stuck with them as a result. I've since switched to the Logitech G600 though, which still tends to break but usually after a year or two (and it's got a 3 year warranty). MMO mice just have too much shit in them *shrug*.

    Razer is overhyped pieces of garbage.
    I've had 2 Nagas and my first one lasted 3 years and my current has been fine for nearly a year, so to me they don't seem to be. I had two Xbox 360's get rings of death though so Xobox's are pieces of garbage in my opinion and I haven't bought one since.

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    There was a window of time, I'd say 2012-13, where I kind of liked Razer products. Then came the shitty 2013 Death Adders that has mouse-wheels crap out. Then they started omitting proper Cherry MX keyswtiches in favour of their garbage proprietary switches. Cloud-enabled mouse drivers were the last straw for me. Get off my lawn.

    I'm still hanging on to a couple of 2012 Death Adders at work and home. They're still working like a charm. Had 3 2013s die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    FWIW, ever Razer keyboard i have ever purchased is still going strong (Two 2012 BWUs, a 2014 BWU, BW:TE, and a BW:TE Chroma, and now an Ornata Chroma (though that isn't mechanical), despite some of them having been doused with water multiple times.

    Their mice, on the other hand - one of the guys i work with that puts on tournaments and provides hardware for tournaments and conventions has had about half the mice Razer gave him (for free/as sponsorship) fail, usually quite early on in their lives. Razer has replaced all of them for free as well, so, goodwill there, but the failure rate is rather high. All of the keyboards are still trucking, though - ~80 or so Black Widow (plain old Black Widows from 2013) boards. And they get abused at events for 72 hours at a go.

    Seems to be mostly a mouse issue.
    As I've said before, Razer dropped the quality starting from items produced in the middle of 2014. So that most likely doesnt apply to the stuff you got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    $45-60 Nagas on Amazon - no problem. Times change.

    IMO, 20 bucks more certainly worth not having bullshit issues a couple of months in. Now, I am not saying Razer is the pinnacle of reliability, but it is certainly better than some noname vendor with shit reviews. The real question here is not what you get out of the box, but how it fares after some time and the difference shows.

    Honestly, I believe Razer gets a bit of undeserved hate there, I use plenty of Razer stuff and the only one that gone to shit for me so far is their headset (and honestly I had Roccat headset too and damn, that one literally died horrible mechanical death 2 months in, so compared to that a year and a bit of Razer was amazing), the rest like keyboards, mouse, mic, mats are all solid couple years in for me.
    The Redragon Perdition is definitely more solid than the Razer Naga. It even has a higher review rate than the Naga while having almost twice as many reviews so I don't know where you get off calling it garbage reviews. A few bad reviews about issues don't mean anything. Otherwise you'd be unable to buy a motherboard because every motherboard has a potential to show up DoA or soon after. It's when the issues are constant that it becomes a problem. Like for example the original Razer Naga double click issue. That wasn't an uncommon issue at all and you'll find topics and videos on it everywhere about it.

    I don't think there's an issue with their keyboards and mats breaking. The issue with the keyboards is they're overpriced for offering inferior switches to cherry mx switches.

    I've used both the Redragon and the Naga and got to say the Redragon was definitely the better buy. The Naga is competing with the Corsair Scimitar at its price point and that's not a comparison it's winning in my book. The Scimitar has better features, sensor, and grip while being more comfortable in my hands. The Naga should at least be $40 like the Logitech G600, not $60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klingers View Post
    There was a window of time, I'd say 2012-13, where I kind of liked Razer products. Then came the shitty 2013 Death Adders that has mouse-wheels crap out. Then they started omitting proper Cherry MX keyswtiches in favour of their garbage proprietary switches. Cloud-enabled mouse drivers were the last straw for me. Get off my lawn.

    I'm still hanging on to a couple of 2012 Death Adders at work and home. They're still working like a charm. Had 3 2013s die.
    My old Razer Death Adder that I bought in January 2009 works like a charm, still!
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    I had razer copperhead and deathadder. Both began to double click after 8-9 months of use. After that i bought a cheap A4 bloody mouse and its still working fine after 2 years. I dont think ill buy another razer mouse...

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    Gone through two hexes, I honestly love the design but it doesn't last for long (less than a year until it double clicks or laser goes off the fritz. 3 strikes your out, not dealing with Razor again. I'm doing well with the Proteus Core.
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