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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    I didnt say I dont give a shit what police do. I said youre supposed to take up any complaints the legal way (sue in court, prove your innocence in court, stand outside the police station with a sign after youre released etc...). Yes the cop was wrong in this situation, but that doesnt give the nurse or anyone else the right to resist arrest or fight with the officer. All it will do is get you in trouble, and rather than be released, can lead to you spending few nights in jail.
    The man was a patient in her hospital. She has an obligation to protect her patients rights, regardless of who is asking to take the blood, especially when there are protocols in place that govern how blood is even legally allowed to be taken.

    She was entirely within her rights to do what she did, and all she did was uphold her patients rights. She was arrested because the police office (who was asking to do something against the rights of the patient) got upset he wasn't getting his way.

  2. #182
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Police attracting people that are desperate to display their authority (in all the wrong ways possible) has been an issue since .. well the inception of any kind of militia/city guard in the first human societies. The cheeto in charge has really nothing to do with this topic..
    Yeah, and you see... Most countries have a nationwide regulated training program for their police force, with mental health check screenings and physical exams to even be allowed to apply. Then follows YEARS of training, not the months that some US states seem to have from what I've seen.

    Corrupt and triggerhappy police are common in several countries, but that is usually organized and crime-related (aka drugs). US just seems to have a bunch of random dumb actions taken by police officers all the time.

    Also the last time a police officer accidentally shot an innocent person in most countries, date back a few decades or they were bystanders.

    US police has shown an incresingly promintent attitude of shoot first, check for innocence afterwards.

    We talk to armed people here, that's part of being a police officer, putting yourself at risk for others safety, including the person with a gun. If said person opens fire and risks harming himself, bystanders or police, then and only then will fire be returned.

    Your police force has alot to learn, and dont start that bullshit about there being more guns on the streets, criminals everywhere are armed with guns for crying out loud.

  3. #183
    Been involved in tons of these cases, the big issue here for the nurse is that she could be liable for damages against the patient if she drew the patient's blood or delegated someone else to do it.

    For context- the cop was ordering her to draw the blood and she was refusing to do it. He arrested her not for breaking the law but for frustrating him.

    She did exactly what anyone who knew they were in the right should have done- make the arrest look traumatic and then sue the crap out of the city, which is my jaded perspective of a legal system thats eager to give money away. The last thing you ever want is a nurse plaintiff because they will pull a jury onto their side faster than the SJWS can pop up on this forum. She can probably get the city to settle for something in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    Also in my experience in these cases, the cops are some of the most impatient and immature people on the planet. Theres a process to get a warrant for this type of thing, which if it doesn't exist its not the place of the cop to bully people into going around it.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    I wonder if there would have been outrage had the nurse been a woman of colour. Probably not...

    Her screams in the video were very chilling but i think the hospital policy is stupid. If someone is a criminal and the police want their blood for investigation the criminal's consent should fall secondary to the course of due justice.
    The person in question was not wanted by the police, neither did they have a warrant for the blood sample, nor was he under arrest.

  5. #185
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    So are there any new developments yet?

    It's not going to die in a whimper, is it?

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Deruyter View Post
    So are there any new developments yet?

    It's not going to die in a whimper, is it?
    so far (+administrative leave for payne and the Lt.):
    The nurse*and her attorney released the footage at a news conference last week. Salt Lake City Mayor Jackie Biskupski and the city’s police chief apologized to Wubbels in a statement*and said they had launched an internal investigation.
    On Tuesday, Payne was*fired from his part-time paramedic job at Gold Cross Ambulance.*The detective could be heard in the video telling another officer that as a first responder he could “bring them all the transients and take good patients elsewhere” if Wubbels refused to let him draw blood. “That’s not the way we treat people in our city,” Gold Cross Ambulance President Mike Moffitt*said.
    In response to the incident, the*University of Utah Hospital imposed new restrictions on law enforcement, barring them from patient care areas and from direct contact with nurses.*“This will not happen again,” Gordon Crabtree,*interim chief executive of the hospital, said at a Monday news conference.
    Wubbels is considering legal action. Her attorney, Karra Porter, has called her arrest unlawful.
    Future:
    Prosecutors in Salt Lake County, Utah, have asked the FBI to join a criminal probe into the violent arrest of a local nurse*who was*manhandled by a detective and shoved screaming into a squad car as she tried to protect the legal rights of a patient.
    In a letter*made public Thursday, District Attorney Sim Gill*called on*FBI agents to investigate whether the arresting officer or anyone else in the chain of command violated nurse Alex Wubbels’s civil rights or broke other laws during the July 26 incident.
    Gill’s office is conducting its own criminal probe but needs the FBI’s help to look into criminal civil rights violations, which fall under federal law.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/aft...cid=spartanntp

    Nothing else to really happen until/if they get charged and then waiting for the case to wind itself through the court system.
    Last edited by ryan92084; 2017-09-08 at 02:15 PM.

  7. #187
    For those interested looks like Payne has been fired and Lt. James Tracy demoted back down to officer http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uta...cid=spartanntp

    As for criminal charges "Prosecutors, meanwhile, opened a criminal investigation into the arrest and asked the FBI to probe for possible civil rights violations."

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by ryan92084 View Post
    For those interested looks like Payne has been fired and Lt. James Tracy demoted back down to officer http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uta...cid=spartanntp

    As for criminal charges "Prosecutors, meanwhile, opened a criminal investigation into the arrest and asked the FBI to probe for possible civil rights violations."
    thats good to know

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