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  1. #81
    Ditched my pally for the first time since start of ICC.. cba anymore... moved to my warrior (which I only used for pvp before) and holy fucking christ of hell what a difference! The dps and all but what really sold me in pve was the movement, I can jump away, soak and come back to KJ before my Rend made 3 ticks ffs... The same with my ret would probably have wasted a good 15sec of dps... WHY should I play something that is outran by a turtle? For me, movement and flow is prio in what I play and that's why my ret is dead and buried... sleep tight old buddy!

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Reith View Post
    Almost no DOTs, either. We used to have Seal of Truth for that, and we used to be able to stack it on multiple enemies, and we used to be able to judge distant targets without a severe damage penalty, and we used to be able to judgment without facing a target, and our ranged holy power generator was 30 yards instead of 12, and on, and on, and on.
    I was pretty caught off guard by some of the changes when I picked up Legion a few weeks ago. Seals being the biggest shocker. They have always undergone many changes, from Seal of Fury, to Seal of Blood, to Seal of Truth, but to see them disappear entirely was unexpected. I haven't played long enough yet to tell if I like or dislike the spec yet relative to previous expansions, but I definitely don't like the removal of such iconic parts of the class. Consecration as well.
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  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Sorrow View Post
    Having no dps outside of CD's can be considered "core to the class" ?
    And if you apply this agenda onto Ret PvP, what do you get?
    Can this be considered a "good job" ?
    Can this ... this #fantasy be considered "decent" ?
    PvP should be balanced completely different than PvE. They're slowly starting to head that way with Honor talents, but they just need to go straight into making it completely different.

    Otherwise, yes, there's nothing wrong with being a burst based class. It's when they decided to make the burst too high and the regular output too low, that's an issue. It doesn't change though that Ret is most likely to always be a burst based class.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Swampmoose View Post
    I was pretty caught off guard by some of the changes when I picked up Legion a few weeks ago. Seals being the biggest shocker. They have always undergone many changes, from Seal of Fury, to Seal of Blood, to Seal of Truth, but to see them disappear entirely was unexpected. I haven't played long enough yet to tell if I like or dislike the spec yet relative to previous expansions, but I definitely don't like the removal of such iconic parts of the class. Consecration as well.
    It's OK to play, but it's fairly mindless where gameplay is concerned. Before, there seemed to always be something more I could do to improve my play. Now, there's not really much to work with. They've relegated most of the few gameplay decision we have left to before you enter an encounter, before you're even *really* playing the game.
    Last edited by Reith; 2017-09-20 at 04:45 AM.

  5. #85
    I will say I found that ret was incredibly hard to play all expansion, even just changing to grind out mythics if we have another healer. The rotation is incredibly bland and not fun. I really hope they fix that issue and make them the crusaders of light they are meant to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampmoose View Post
    I was pretty caught off guard by some of the changes when I picked up Legion a few weeks ago. Seals being the biggest shocker. They have always undergone many changes, from Seal of Fury, to Seal of Blood, to Seal of Truth, but to see them disappear entirely was unexpected. I haven't played long enough yet to tell if I like or dislike the spec yet relative to previous expansions, but I definitely don't like the removal of such iconic parts of the class. Consecration as well.
    Holy shit, havent seen this name in a looooong time. I learned pretty much everything I know about ret from Prentice, Requital, and Swampmoose on these forums, hah.

    I can imagine picking up ret for the first time in a long time is quite the shock.
    Holy Power was almost certainly the biggest change to ret in its history, but if you saw that change, the loss of HoW, Exorcism, Consecration, Seals, Auras, GoAK, and Hand/Blessing utility, the new judgement facing requirement(breaking all my macros), the total change of raid blessings, the colossus smash effect of judgement, and the introduction of Crusade...could be quite the shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    PvP should be balanced completely different than PvE. They're slowly starting to head that way with Honor talents, but they just need to go straight into making it completely different.

    Otherwise, yes, there's nothing wrong with being a burst based class. It's when they decided to make the burst too high and the regular output too low, that's an issue. It doesn't change though that Ret is most likely to always be a burst based class.
    I agree with this totally. I enjoy that there is a class that Burst is its main way of doing dmg, provided the lows aren't too low, and the middle is fair. I like that it is Ret that is that class. I also agree pvp and pve has to be almost entirely separate. I quite enjoyed lining up my trinkets and Wings, and GoAK for insane dmg for 20-30 seconds with heroism. And outside of cooldowns, while my dmg was a low number, I still found my rotation to be enjoyable with all those holy power generators and TV felt strong still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurytos View Post
    Holy shit, havent seen this name in a looooong time. I learned pretty much everything I know about ret from Prentice, Requital, and Swampmoose on these forums, hah.
    What about me?
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  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    *shrugs*

    I like the playstyle of ret tbh. True it sucks that without wings it's a bit boring to play and it doesn't feel good, but it's supposed to feel like that, cuz man do I feel like a bad ass when I pop wings and I'm spamming my buttons to try and keep up with the GCD and doing big dick deeps. Climbing from .6th to 1st or 2nd on meters cuz of wings is fun af.

    If there's anything I'd like to see go it's the reliance of keeping our blessings on people for that 4% strength buff. That's a bit annoying.

    I've tried several times this expac to reroll to a better dps. If I can be consistently 2nd or 3rd in my guild, imagine what I could do with a real weapon! But none of them grab me like the ret play style and the Coolies.
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  9. #89
    Ret is currently rubbish both numbers wise and mechanically. WoD was significantly more engaging for me.

  10. #90
    The thing I miss the most on my Ret is the throwing hammer when the opponent is at <20% HP. Was so much fun in PvP. (And spammable when wings are active if I recall correctly.)

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurytos View Post
    Holy shit, havent seen this name in a looooong time. I learned pretty much everything I know about ret from Prentice, Requital, and Swampmoose on these forums, hah.

    I can imagine picking up ret for the first time in a long time is quite the shock.
    Holy Power was almost certainly the biggest change to ret in its history, but if you saw that change, the loss of HoW, Exorcism, Consecration, Seals, Auras, GoAK, and Hand/Blessing utility, the new judgement facing requirement(breaking all my macros), the total change of raid blessings, the colossus smash effect of judgement, and the introduction of Crusade...could be quite the shock.
    /wave

    Time for you to be the teacher! It's been a few weeks now and I'm still in that state of shock. Can't even begin to count the number of times I've tried judging things not facing them.
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  12. #92
    The one thing that I still find odd today is that none of us really had an issue with Seals, but they were removed due to being "boring, passive buffs" according to Blizzard.

    Yet we're still stuck throwing out two Greater Blessings ("boring, passive buffs") in order to have a 4% Strength boost or PVP buffs.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanderhuge View Post
    The one thing that I still find odd today is that none of us really had an issue with Seals, but they were removed due to being "boring, passive buffs" according to Blizzard.

    Yet we're still stuck throwing out two Greater Blessings ("boring, passive buffs") in order to have a 4% Strength boost or PVP buffs.
    Except they were actually not passive at all. Switching Seals situationally was an interactive gameplay feature. You actually made decisions with Seals while in an encounter to get optimal DPS beyond "hit this button that does damage." Of course not every encounter you were switching them, but many of them you could to get better DPS/better burst DPS where it needed to be directed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draeth View Post
    I've been playing Ret since Vanilla and this is the least fun version of the spec ever, IMHO. I wouldn't complain about a complete gutting and revision or a return to MoP Ret at this point.
    Agreed

    I'd prefer WoD to MoP Ret though (no inquisition was a nice change in WoD from MoP), it was honestly quite fun... Just needed to be less squishy in PvP and it would have been perfect...

    I don't understand why blizzard feels the need to reinvent the wheel when they have something already working well, like WoD Ret... It just needed tweaks to be amazing, Legion Ret can't be fixed with simple tweaks, it needs a massive, ground up overhaul at this point...
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